Infraction for Skallewag: Grammar

• Aldriana · 09/02/08, 8:17 PM

Post: [Mage] WotLK Talent Discussion (Part Two)
User: Skallewag
Infraction: Grammar
Points: 1

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Message to User:

This post seems very rushed, between missed capital letters, omitted spaces, and a few assorted misspellings, all of which hinder readability. Please put a little more time into your posts. Thanks.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Jonny_Monroe

sorry to be digging up a (fairly) old post, but I feel the issue of 18 in fire being essential is rather a bad choice on the current talent design.

Considering AB as a main nuke, lets see what you lose from maintaining that scorch:

AB debuff at least every 30seconds (personal DPS loss, >10% in stand and nuke situations)
Important arcane talents (all-round nerf to personal performance, no matter how you spec it)
Potentially a glyph slot for the scorch glyph

The only way you can justify the huge personal sacrifice to spec this way is if you're the only mage in a 25-man raid; and then you're back to the old problem of being the 1 mage debuff b*tch. For those few people who ARE the only mage in 25-mans, this is a huge design flaw. Hopefully, for most folk there will be 2+ mages and at least one will bring this debuff without having a screwed up spec for it.

we need to look at the scorch talent in the view of all raid buff/debuff changes. Like has been stated upthread you only need about 10 people to bring every available buff/debuff. That leaves you with 15 slots of people you bring because they are good players, good friends, or just the last couple of schmucks youve got in your guild and you need them to fill out 25 slots. The only scenario in a 25 man setting where you have a single bitch speced mage is if blizzard utterly fails in balancing our class and we bring inferior utility as well as inferior DPS plus your guilds raid policy is so elitistic that it doesnt allow anything but optimal rawr spreadsheet setups. Manly had a good quote about this, the one about whats teh difference of the impossible and astronomically unlikely. You simply haveto be an utter pesimist to expect all of these misfortune circumstances to get stacked on mages in WotLK.

For 10 mans the situation is a bit different. You might end up with 10 man raids that arent optimally stacked. But raiding is still going to be more about skill and less about stacking groups. Again you need epic levels of pesimism to expect raidcontent where a guild with 10 skilled players are unable to progress if they dont bring a mage with imp scorch or WC.