Infraction for Mearis: Double Post

LodeRunner · 09/11/08, 2:03 PM

Post: [Rogue] PVP Stat Standards/advice
User: Mearis
Infraction: Double Post
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Originally Posted by panny

Mutilate Rogues are also fairly kiteable.

Haha what? They have hamstring immunity, and crippling poison lasts ~4 seconds against them, 3 if they are a troll - also enjoy removing a mutilate's rogue crippling poison.

Hunters, pretty obviously. Master's Call + Disengage on a shorter cooldown than Shadowstep + Wing Clip + damage ignores the vast majority of our mitigation + spammable DOTs/Flare to keep us visible (which no longer break Freezing Trap). If the rogue has HFB and can remove WC/Conc, they don't have Improved Sprint or Shadowstep. If they've got Shadowstep, they don't have HFB and have to rely on Vanish to get out of snares. Deterrence ensures that we're not doing much damage even if we do get close. The disarm traps change was pennies in the bucket compared to what hunters picked up relative to today.

Also prot specs of all classes (Feral Druid/Prot Warrior/etc) are looking more and more viable in PvP and are about as hard a counter to a rogue as you can get. Nothing quite like watching your melee hits diminished down to double-digits.

They might become more viable, but they are not 'viable'. Hunters do counter melees pretty hard admittedly, but they don't counter just rogues, they counter every single melee class. I just don't think that given the damage that rogues unleash on casters they should also completely rape warriors.

About prot/feral. I agree that if you are dumb enough to attack one, they will own you pretty hard, but why would you ever do that? Just sit on his healer, do you think priest + prot warrior vs priest + rogue will be a pretty match up? Sure, a prot can sorta peel, but charge/intercept share DR, and so does concussive blow. After that you will have a priest free to cast + a rogue vs a priest with every single poison known to man + a prot warrior trying to peel a rogue.