Infraction for MooShuPork: Why did you touch my thread?

Juice · 09/20/08, 4:55 PM

Post: [Elemental Shaman] - Wotlk Talents discussion
User: MooShuPork
Infraction: Why did you touch my thread?
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

Congratulations on joining the EJ forums. While enjoying one of my favorite threads, I came across your post and asked myself what the fuck you were doing. Why, I asked myself, is this douchebag who just joined our forums and is posting for the very first time posting in the 40th page of my thread with basic, basic intel that we all already know? Why is he coming here and telling us zero day information that anyone with a casual interest in elemental shaman has already figured out? Does he think we're the WoW general forums, eager for his next morsel of information like so many baby birds?

Here's the thing, junior, you're now in the most intelligent forum WoW has to offer. Theorycrafting is done here. New theories, hypothesis, formulas, strats, and high end discussion makes its debut here - not the WoW forums. Do not walk in with no particular insight and break off 750 words which basically amounts to your review of the talent changes. We don't fucking care. Get informed, make intelligent posts, ask intelligent questions. If we accept you and start to listen to you, then you'll be ready to educate. Until then, read more and post less.

Original Post:

I've been doing a bit of research, and in no way claim expert status, but this is the talent build I've come up with that seems to be good for raiding. I've actually got an entire post I've placed on my guild forums about it, and will just copy it over.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?sham...00000000000000

I'd appreciate any comments or feedback on anything written in this post. I've tried to keep opinions to a minimum in it, but occasionally you'll see it comes out (I'm human, shame eh).

Been looking over changes to shamans for wrath, talent tree's and so forth and trying to come to a good conclusion on what changes to make. As of now all (Well all raiding) Elemental shamans are a 41/0/20. This let's them get Totem of Wrath, and Totemic Mastery [Tier 3] (Increases totem range) And Tidal Mastery [Tier 4] (Increases Crit by 5 %) and Natures Guidance [Tier 3] (3 percent hit).

In wrath, totemic mastery and nature's guidance are removed. Tidal Mastery remains a tier 4 talent. This means it would require the same 20 points in Restoration, but you would have very little to show for it. As it is 6 talent points are wasted to achieve the 14 points in Restoration you use. Totemic focus has been moved to Tier 1, from Tier 2 however, and it still might prove useful, depending on Mana regeneration. With the increased totem time of 5 minutes, from 2, it may not be required, as 25 percent off totem mana cost isn't that great.

It appears that in Wrath it will be more beneficial to go into a Elemental / Enhancement spec. They have changed Thundering strikes, a tier 2 talent which previously only increased Melee Crit Chance, to increase Melee and Magic by 5. This means we can now place 5/5 Ancestral knowledge (10 percent Intellect increase) and then 5/5 Thundering strikes, and use only 10 talent points to achieve the same buff we used to get in Resto. Also allows us to get Ancestral knowledge, and with the removal of down ranking, it might be useful for Earth shock interrupts (Though Wind shock might help??).

Now into Elemental talents, Most of Tier 2 are still useless IMO, even with minor changes (Call of flame gone, Elemental Devastation moved from Tier 4, to Tier 2, useful for Enhancement shamans and maybe others.. more below).

Tier 1. IMO it will still be best to spec 5/5 Convection and Concussion.

Tier 2. Call of Flame 3/3 This increases your Fire totem damage, by 15 percent, but more importantly increases your lava burst spell by 6 percent. This is discussed more below.

Tier 3. I think would be best to grab all of them maxed, 5/5 Reverberation, 1/1 Elemental focus, 5/5 Elemental Fury This will reduce shock CD's by 1 second, allow clear casting, and increase critical strike damage by 100% (We take these as is now). The difference here is Elemental fury has been swapped with Call of Thunder, and Elemental fury is now 5/5 and Call of Thunder is now 1/1

Tier 4 . Eye of the Storm has been changed to reduce spell push back by 70 percent, but with Wrath's new changes to the way spell push back works (Apparently only 1 second of spell push back can occur) along with the fact that while raiding you should not be getting hit, it's still worthless to raiders, as is Improved fire totems (We are going for Totem of Wrath)

Tier 5. All our talents are pretty much unchanged, aside from the swapping of Call of Thunder to T5. It seems it will be best to take Storm reach 2/2, Call of thunder 1/1, and Unrelenting storm 5/5, for 6 yard increased spell range, 5 percent crit, and 10 percent mana while casting.

Tier 6. Lightning Mastery 5/5 and Elemental Precision 3/3. Elemental Precision now has our threat reduction rolled into it, and will be 30 percent over 15 percent.

Tier 7. Elemental Mastery 1/1, while not amazing opens up Elemental Oath.

Tier 8. Elemental Oath 2/2, and Lightning Overload 5/5. Elemental Oath is just amazing. Nuff said, and Lightning overload is about 15-20 percent of our total DPS (if not more). With lava burst it may be lower percentage now but.. not by a lot.

Tier 9. Totem of Wrath 1/1, Lava Flows 3/3 Totem of Wrath has been changed, it's now even more amazing, 3 percent Crit, and 280 Spell Power, Raid wide. Lava Flows is one I had to read up on, now's a good time to talk about a new spell we get, Lava Burst
You hurl molten lava at the target, dealing 888 to 1132 Fire damage. If Flame Shock is on the target, Lava Burst will consume the Flame Shock, causing Lava Burst to critically hit. (22% Base Mana, 2 sec Cast, 8 sec Cooldown, 30 yd Range)

Lava Flows does two things, it increases our flame shock's range by 15 yards (Putting it at 35), and increases our damage of Lava burst by 24 percent. Given that it seems the best rotation for Elemental shamans will change, we can now cast flame shock from almost max range (Our max will be 36 with Storm reach) and then lightning bolt lightning bolt, chain lightning, lava burst, which will consume the flame shock, and cause a critical strike, guaranteed to proc Elemental Oath, one hundred percent of the time.

Tier 10. Storm Earth and Fire This ties into the new spell rotation as well, lightning bolts will have an additional 10 percent of your spell power added to their damage, earth shock range increases by 5 yards, and increases flame shock periodic damage by 50 percent. Since trying to get as many ticks as possible of flame shock seems to be our new DPS Cycle, this is another must have.

Tier 11. Thunderstorm 1/1, I hesitate to even say this will be worth taking for raiding, but it does do one thing useful for us, Free mana. We receive 5 percent of our mana back when we use it. In a boss fight, if we are more then 20 yards away we can use this with no fear of knocking anything back, as such it would be silly to pass on it.

This leaves 2 total points open, for now I put those into Enhancement as well. I placed them in Improved Ghost Wolf (because instant ghost wolf is useful, especially in outdoor raids. Other places to put points are Totemic Focus (Tier one Resto) reduces totem cost by 10 percent, and Guardian totems, to reduce CD of Grounding totem by 2 seconds, and Astral Shift, which reduces all damage taken by 20 percent while stunned feared or silenced, or possibly Improved Fire Nova Totems, because it now stuns all targets effected for two seconds.