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Old 10/23/08, 10:47 PM   #1
• Aldriana
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Infraction for Wodahs: Useless Post

Post: [Rogue] PvE DPS / WotLK Discussion
User: Wodahs
Infraction: Useless Post
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Message to User:
Let review: you quoted the entirety of a useless and lengthy (and already infracted) post to add a two-line reply, which is reasonably redundant given that the flaw in his argument had been discussed extensively; and then you append an equally useless anecdote that seems to serve no purpose other than bragging about your DPS output. This doesn't seem to raise the level of the discussion at all. See also: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/a34-forum_rules/, #5 and #8.
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Originally Posted by Kmannkoopa View Post
As I am reading this discussion here, it has moved me from long time lurker to actually posting.

It looks like the discussion is going back to emphasize hit. I have the basic understand on the current theory behind why hit is less important than it was, but after looking at the practice from my guild's (and other's) WWS, I am not convinced that hit has been dropped from the #1 priority stat. It may have lost its lead, but it is still mighty.

Much of this below is copied from a post in my guild's Rogue forum.

Here is the WWS of my Guild's Tuesday attempt on Mount Hyjal.

<The Stormguard> are in WoW terms probably a mediocre raiding guild, but in the purgatory of our low population server (we took a free transfer), we are among Top 3 Alliance guilds (the top Guild is only a few bosses into Sunwell). However, when it comes to player skill, I would put our Rogues up against anyone.

I was assassination in Badge/low end MH/BT gear. One of the Rogues was combat in higher end BT/MH gear, and the other was assassination in mostly pvp gear (coming back from a long hiatus).

All my yellow damage averaged higher (except Envenom because I was more concerned about using it to refresh Slice and Dice than damage), yet I was second in swing damage. As swing damage is the highest contribution in any build, I was #2 on total DPS.

Looking at the WWS details, I missed with my swing a whopping 15% while our top rogue missed with only 2.6% of his attacks. I assume it has to do more with my lower hit value of 278 while he has not yet re-gemmed and was capped. Our crit rate being approximately the same, I think it shows that hit is still the mighty Rogue stat. On a side note, our dispellers were terrible without their addons so we had a lot more Banshee's cure than we should have.

The clincher I think is the third Rogue in PvP gear had a higher crit and significantly higher miss rate (27%), which is where you would expect a Rogue without hit to be.

In most of the other WWS's I have seen, the #1 Rogue is consistently the one who misses less with white damage. I realize that WWS has had issues, but I suspect that it doesn't have as much issue measuring white damage.

To sum it up, as white damage is still the single biggest source of damage for a Rogue, hit is still the single best way to boost this damage, keeping its crown as the most important statistic to stack for Rogues.
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Other rogue in our group missed less than I did, and I pulled quite a bit more dmg than him.

Making assumptions on 2 equations that arent equal is a bit folly?

I changed things a bit last night, trying dual wound, instead of the deadly/wound combo I tried last time. I tried to work in killing spree and had an aggro issue on the pull, and had to pause dmg. In the end, I had close to 4100 dps, which I think can be due to the poison change and slowing threat for a short period, but it was not that far off the 4200 I had last week. Our fight took 30 seconds longer, that alone lowers the value of heroism, which would drop dps.
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