Infraction for Omala: General Idiocy

Kaubel · 10/27/08, 8:13 AM

Post: [Mage] WotLK Talent Discussion (Part Two)
User: Omala
Infraction: General Idiocy
Points: 1

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Message to User:

http://elitistjerks.com/f15/a34-forum_rules/, #5.

Original Post:

Looking at the numbers, once you're 5-10% beyond the peak...

Peak of? Sorry in advance. Just needed some clarification.

2) Haste is likely slightly worse than Spell Power, but vastly better than Crit for Frost specs. See how it goes!

My theory on this, and I'm just gonna ramble some typing out here on the fly and see where it takes me.

Assumed: (Capped hit... duh) 1100 spell damage, 22% crit (Before WC) and 25% haste. These just seem like reasonable numbers @70 to me.

While crit would up your damage per spell for frost, with abilities like FoF and BF, they're all % based on your individual spells. So, lets say at 0% haste you're capable of casting 24 frost bolts (this is optimal) in a minute, you have 3.6 frostbolts which have a chance of procing FoF (Higher DPS than BF) and BF. I'm speaking purely of procs, I'm not counting the time of GCD's on the procs themselves and this may be a flaw in my theory.

Now, lets say you go in with 25% haste which lowers your FB cast time to ~1.875 seconds. You now have 32 (if you sat spamming frost bolts) chances to proc a minute with a total of 4.8 procs.

That's an extra proc a minute. Not too shabby. Where I fail is understanding the damage difference if you were to sacrifice the SD for Haste.

EDIT: I'm also not accounting the lost time for the procs. It's what 2 GCD's (3secs) per FoF and 1.5 for the GCD on BF. I can't imagine Rawr in it's current build being able to account for these types of numbers.

This is of course the RNG gods favor you and stick to their 15% proc based on talents =).

The number differences between how much damage output for a FoF proc gives you about a damn near 90% chance to crit on a target fully WC debuffed. This is the part where I think that haste would win spell power. I just wish I had the haste gear on this mage that the other mage in my guild has and still maintain 4xT6.

I need more data... =*( and more gold for gems and re-specs.

3) Focus Magic is pretty neat. It's a 2-for-1 deal. The problem is that they only come with Fries, and Rice is much healthier than Fries.
Meaning that it likely isn't strong enough to dethrone Frostfire specs.
The proper comparison would be "3 Frostfire Mages" vs. "2 Torment Fire Mages + 1 Slow Mage with 3% crit + 3% crit to 3 other raid members".

With the recent nerf of JoW to 1%, I really can't see Fire pull ahead there. But someone should sim it for safety.

This just sounds sexy and I look forward to testing this at 80. We're currently lacking a FFB and ab00t 10 talent points. On another note, we've been running with two ret pallys and Replenishing mages... omg win.

I hope that helps a clear things up a bit. And as friendly advice, try to shorten quotes if you quote texts that are a lot longer than your additions.
Doesn't hurt and makes it easier to read

This better ?

EDIT2: Not to mention, your GCD will be 1 second. It's also not accounting the raid buffs, oh man.. I'm starting to dig a hole in sand here.