Infraction for ld1938: General Idiocy

Kaubel · 11/03/08, 10:15 PM

Post: [Priest] Discipline and Holy WotLK Talent Preview and discussion.
User: ld1938
Infraction: General Idiocy
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

Fucking hell, what is up with all the quote-splitters all of a sudden? Did I miss a memo or something?

Original Post:

You sound a little defensive there hombre.. Lighten up a bit.

Meh.. half my post got deleted.

Originally Posted by Tainter

Go ahead and argue the cheaper more powerful heals. With numbers please. Do you permanently have Grace stacked on yourself? I'll just say if I really need my survival stuff then I have Test of Faith up. (Has anyone tested if that actually works on the Priest himself?)

Edit: Section got deleted.. Basically the point was.. On efficiency Disc has rapture, MA along with a bigger mana pool, DS and Penance which is very efficient vs Holy which has Improved Healing for Gheals, IHC/HC for Gheal/Flash Heal/Bheal and Serendipity for Gheal/Fheal(if you take it for PVP)

On throughput Disc has more haste, Penance, 4% from focused power and 6%/15%(only on yourself) from Grace and FW respectively if they're stacked.. along with a much greater PWS and an increased crit multiplier through Divine Aegis, neither of which are effected by MS effects. Also 25% haste every 4/12 seconds fom Borrowed Time. And PI.

Holy has POM by 10% if you have 5/5 Dp. Flash heal by 20% of your spellpower, and SH which increases everything by 10%.

So for either.. they're very close depending on how you count Grace/Focused will, especially if you consider Ms effecting all holy heals but not PWS or Divine Aegis

Blessed Resilience (and all other abilities like that) can actually proc from normal hits. If you're around the resilience cap then you have a 7.5% chance to get BR from any normal attack like a pet hitting on you, or a Rogue off-hand attack or something. Whenever I'm being focus-fired by more than 1 dps I have BR up permanently.

Yes, thank you.. I explained this at least twice in the post you just quoted.

I chose not to include resilience because I have no idea about the actual crit multiplier of the various classes at 80, nor their crit chances with group buffs, nor actual resilience numbers.

Whatever your reasons for not including resilience.. You stated the conclusion that Br > FW and attempted to prove it using a model thats very heavily biased for BR. I dont care WHY you chose not to include it.. but it makes your model.. and thus your conclusion.. basically worthless.. which was my point.

Thanks for telling us what Focused Will does. We already knew.

I was merely restating for comparison..

First you argue that Disc has more healing and then you argue that all talents and buffs that give healing aren't very effective. Which one is it?

Disc has more mitigation and alot of its throughput comes from effects like DA and improving PWS. None of these talents are effected by MS. All of Holy's throughput talents are. That was my point. I thought I explained this clearly before but maybe I should have used sock-puppets

If someone needs Pain Suppression then they also need healing. PS isn't affected by MS because it isn't a heal. PS alone almost never saves anybody. Guardian sometimes can.

A good PVP'er doesnt wait till someone is at 10% before casting PS.. If they are and you're just now getting to them.. you cast PWS first, than PS, than whatever heal you can get off which will now be 25% faster. You've just absorbed 6k+ damage.. which isnt effected by MS, and you've got another hasted heal coming while PS is still up.

If you cast Gs when they're at 10%.. they die and are ressed at 25%.. Than are promptly executed/killshot/lolhammerred back into the ground.

PS > GS, Disc > Holy for PVP.
As it stands now anyway.