Infraction for Khab: Thick Skull

LodeRunner · 12/02/08, 1:25 AM

Post: In-Depth Fury DPS Discussion
User: Khab
Infraction: Thick Skull
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

You don't know what you're talking about, so just stop. I'll do a simple analogy to illustrate:

There are several automobile engineers having a civil discussion on car designs and how they can get more performance out of their vehicles. They've got charts that show tests under different weather conditions with different parts, upgrades, fuels, and various other factors. Just then a loud, boisterous individual passes by and picks up on the conversation. He swaggers over with his bottle of Bud Light in his hand and says, a little too loudly, "CARS? I KNOW ABOUT CARS LET ME TELL YOU. I BEEN DRIVIN ALL MY LIFE I TURN THE KEY AND PRESS DOWN THE GAS AND GO FAST HAH!"

The engineers ignore him and continue on with their discussion. Five minutes pass and the topic turns to acceleration. The loudmouth stands up and yells, "DAMN YOU ALL I TOLD YOU JUST PRESS THE PEDAL DOWN VRROOOOM VROOOM LOOK AT ME GO!"

The loud annoying person in the story is you.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by landsoul

@ armor penetration:

With mid level Naxx25 gear and max raid buffs. I inflated my AP values using my spreadsheet. A point of ArP matched a point in Strength at ~12850 buffed attack power. I then added a fake 750 ArP rating to the same gear and ArP matched STR at ~9990 buffed attack power. You should avoid Armor penetration items at this point unless they are on a really sexy piece. One exception would be The [Grim Toll] trinket just because it has an insanely massive amount of ArP, [Aged Winter Cloak] because the alternatives have haste, which is worse, or the 25 man Malygos neck quest reward.

@ haste

We all know that haste rating multiplies by every other differing speed increase across the board. One thinks that this does many things: provides increasing returns to attack speed. True. Increases the frequency of Deep Wounds. True. May be a great stat at super high gear levels. Increases the frequency of our heroic strikes. Only true if you heroic strike 100% of the time. Again, performing the same test using armor penetration, Haste matched STR at ~17750 buffed attack power.

The key to all of this is that every time you increase one stat, it also increases the value of each point of strength. Strength does not have static worth. Strength is our juice. It is our koolaid in our hot summer days.

Improved Windfury adds 4% to its 16% to match with Icy talons to 20%, AFAIK. We are all aware of multiplicative effects in wow, but does anyone have any data that encourages Imp WF being 20.64%?

In my post i already mention that when TG warrior chose weapon he should stay way from Haste, Armour Pen and too much Agi for now. Stick with Str, AP, Crit, Hit is the key for this early of content is the idea.

About the good old Pure Str gem after make the table good (hit cap, exp cap, 30% crit unbuff) it's the basic idea. I mention Haste, Amour Pen and Hit.

More Hit mean more and contant stream of HS flows. But when you HS more than 50% of your MH Swing, shouldn't get more hit at least for now.
I mentioned that Armour Pen and Haste is not so good for the early of content since we can't get enouch Armour Pen to make it work and Haste hurt Flurry since we dont have high crit. But later on at T8 and T9 that option will be back to the table.

I dont really rely totally on sheets, i use WWS and base my calculation on the number of ability i can perform in a fight that i want to min/max. What sheets can't do for Warrior is they can't really calculate the spiking of rage, and the number of adtional rage/wasted rage for extra stats . So we can't really look on our sheets and say : More str is better since Str benifit Slam,BT,HS dmg by XX%, or More Amour pen is better since it increase the total dmg by YY%.

Personally i aim for a balanced stats. Since raid buff can give Warrior somewhere 1000 AP, i rather working make my Attack table look good to get benifit from Raidbuff rather than i'm look good when i'm alone but don't get much benifit from raid buffs.