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Old 01/29/09, 8:24 AM   #1
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Infraction for Inken: 1. All posters are to make an effort to communicate clearly.

Post: Raids & Healing in 3.0 (as a priest)
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Infraction: 1. All posters are to make an effort to communicate clearly.
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Your sentence structure is incomprehensible and you really should spell check your posts better.
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Originally Posted by Hegen View Post
It's very easy to form opinions around facts that are not in fact true. That happens all the time, even here. Now, if you post a new source of statistical information, this is a good thing, thank you.

At the same time, before I use a source of statistical information, I want to make sure I understand how this information is made up and what it really says and what it doesn't say.

In this case, the scoreboard is a very misleading thing, which is what I wanted to point out. As for what classes can do in very long fights, no, you cannot even see this in the scoreboard. Reason: As I said, you will see players from raids where DPS sucks a lot on the top. Under normal circumstance, you won't find the best players for each healing class in the effective healing scoreboard, because they don't usually team with raids where the entire DPS sucks a lot. So, no, you don't really see the relative capabilities of each class.

You can actually take information out of that site, but only if you drill down and if you are very careful. The ranked data sets are pretty strange which is mostly due to the criteria of that scoreboard. Look at the #1 paladin in the HPS scoreboard for Gothik. He's only doing 2% of his HLs as effective healing. Either there's someone playing specifically to top this scoreboard, or he's just lazy beyond imagination. The reason doesn't really matter - it's very dangerous information to build opinions on.

Also note that some computed numbers on that site are false. In addition to what I pointed out earlier, effective healing percentage seems to be broken. For the mentioned paladin, the site lists 9,70% effective healing total, while 5,91% is correct. The overheal percentage of "94,00%" is at least roughly correct, though one wonders why they list two decimal places if in fact they round to a full percent. Another reason to watch your step when using that site.
I dont get why your making it a bigger deal then it was intended but ok:

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If you look at the numbers, the % over healed is correct?

The % effective healing if from the % of the raids healing?

i.e. 276146 is 22.38% of 1233690

and the effective 957544 is 27.75% of the effective healing done by the raid for the boss.

Also Raw does equal Effective + Over heal – seems to add up?

I agree the rounding and reporting two significant numbers doesn’t make sense.

Ok maybe the druid numbers work and not paladins, not sure which one you are looking at so ill pick on from the effective heals list (KT)

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the % over healed is correct, i.e. 3371104 with 1769940 is 52.50 - again the significant digits are silly.

The 1.6mil effective healing is also 30.42% of the total 5263691 done by the raid on that boss.

Maybe I am missing something?

As for is there any value? I never claimed anything from the numbers. But you assume that average dps = average healers?
Fine, could one now make an assumption like you did that this would also normalise the healers by skill levels?

if you were going to say the sample set of only 10 when top 10 does not = best is bad a sample size, then I would agree, hence why I posted that an average by class by boss for all fights (ok more words now) would be a better report

If you can link the paladin where the numbers are broken I would like to look at it to better understand the issue. (maybe it was fixed no idea)

Maybe we will get something out of a nice conversation about it all

p.s. did you assume the % was all about teh player and not the raid?

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