Infraction for Thanatoscope: 2. All opinions should be stated as succinctly as possible.

Kaubel · 02/12/09, 8:37 AM

Post: Raiding as frost
User: Thanatoscope
Infraction: 2. All opinions should be stated as succinctly as possible.
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

This is silly. You've split up a quote (rule #2) to basically just agree with the points made in another post (rule #6).

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Lhivera

A) Frostbolt glyph, rather than eliminating the snare, should reduce it by some 20-40%. This allows points in Permafrost and Chilled to the Bone to re-increase the snare from 0% to 20%, or from 20% to 40%.

Agreed. Losing the rank 1 snare option is frankly silly. Frost, the control build, has to use long cast FFB or blow mana on an aborted blizzard to snare adds on a fight like Gluth?

B) [...]such a whopping huge DPS increase into those last 3 of the 18 points makes compromise builds impossible.

Agreed. Especially given it's currently required to still not match the damage of other builds. Both exacerbate the niggling problems like no quick bolt snare other builds have.

C) FoF latency exploit should be fixed, if possible. If not possible, then the mechanics developed to make PvE shatter combos work should simply make it better to use your Ice Lance on the second charge than to execute the latency exploit. In no case should it be considered acceptable for a talent to behave in direct contradiction to its tooltip (such as by providing three charges rather than the stated two).

Agreed.

E) A Frost Mage who correctly executes Shatter Combos should produce a notable performance increase over one who does not, on the order of 5-10%.

Agreed, shatter combos or another mechanic. I'd take the 10% spread as a penalty for the bolt spam. Obviously I'd optimize where needed but there is something to be said for having a spec option that... I'd use the word relaxing instead of boring. Contrary to most, I find the notion of bolt spam rather entertaining. It's a nice change of pace from juggling eighty zillion things on my afflock. The delta between optimally played frost and other specs is clearly broken though. BC shad blind sbolting to crush DPS meters was wrong.

F) Not tied to Water Elemental; that makes the ability too conditional. Otherwise, hopefully something more interesting than a passive result of spamming Frostbolt.

Agreed on WE, see E) for spamming. There's nothing wrong with replenishment being tied to replenishment being tied to the core rotation--it should be. If bolt spam keeps it up and is not optimal DPS, fine with me. Bolt spam should never be optimal DPS.

G) Frost should be comparable to the other trees; survivability is just another conditional advantage, like pushback protection and reduced threat. Additional utility from Replenishment is irrelevant (see Survival Hunters).

Agreed. Replenishment on survival is currently tied to the highest DPS spec, ret and shad to the only DPS specs.