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• bartolimu · 02/20/09, 11:17 AM

Post: 3.1 Rogue Changes - Early Preview
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Original Post:

Originally Posted by RedCrossRobbery

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Would having a Combat and a Mut build both saved really come into play in the game?

Meaning, are there enough fights where one barely trumps the other, so that by analyzing different bosses (and who's to say in ulduar right?) you could max your DPS by just simply switching from one spec to another and switching out some gear?

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Thats from Simple Questions and Answers, i was about to answer, but than it raised more questions for me. Hope some of you can help.

I had a similar question, which i was able to get the answer for in the last couple of raid runs. With my non-BiS gear, with std buffs available to me, i can reach 3kish DPS on standard bosses. There are certain boss fights where this drops significantly because time on target reaches a low point that requires constant restart of SnD, hectic(my DPS is low, so its better for me to help with adds than on boss) or just bad luck with stuns that HfB drops and just low rupture uptime because of your low time on target. I wanted to know if i could switch to the new Shiv build because the fights that arnt melee dps friendly would overcome the 100dps loss that Shiv spec was spreadsheeted to give me. Well, atleast in Naxx its not worth it. You definitely do get in a couple percent of what spreadsheet says. However, if dual spec was easy enough, it would definitely be a DPS increase to switch to a spec that was lower top end DPS but higher low end DPS. But i dont think such a spec really exists for rogues anymore. There really isnt too much difference between specs anymore. More haste and less overall damage contribution of yellow components is the trend. Maybe its intentional because inorder to keep the promise of Ulduar being more challenging/interesting, everything is more melee unfriendly(more movement and other activities). Maybe one of the folks with better overall understanding of the specs can chime in. HaT spec doesnt count because its gimmick based(maybe thats only use for 2nd slot?)

Actually, it would be nice if the folks with better understanding of multiple specs answered this. What does 3.1/Dual Spec bring to a PVE rogue that didnt want to use the second spec for PVP. And i dont mean a gimmick second spec to optimise trash DPS(unless said FoK spec was really necessary part of a lot of new boss encounters), i mean a second spec that was unique in some way? What do you envision the second slot for? Im curious as to what i should start prepping for so i dont have to spend money i dont have on mats/items when 3.1 launches instead of getting for free now.

Am i wrong that in 3.1, combat and mut are close enough, that hopefully, except for RNG on weapons, there is not much difference for a raider? With less Yellow damage in 3.1, what exactly differentiates any spec, both are sustained DPS now? Except for Savage Combat, that would be horrible if only reason. Am i getting tripped on the fact a druid that has been playing for a while, can switch between ranged and melee? I can think of lots of reasons for other classes, even hunters/mages(better snares/aoes, for the challenging multi-mob boss fights). Though maybe thats more wishfull thinking on encounter design for the other pure classes.

In short, Why would you need the 2nd slot if not for PVP? Its been made somewhat clear that its for lvl 80s only and probably for higher end 80s is what they have in mind. So what would a raiding PVE rogue do with the 2nd slot?