Infraction for morbidjbyrd: 1. All posters are to make an effort to communicate clearly.

constantius · 03/11/09, 9:07 PM

Post: Unholy DPS Discussion
User: morbidjbyrd
Infraction: 1. All posters are to make an effort to communicate clearly.
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Message to User:

Your post has some good math. It takes you way too long to get there. Try condensing your points down, and clean up the formatting so it's easy for someone to quickly read it and get the gist of your post. I shouldn't have to wade through every bit of the math to understand your conclusion.

Original Post:

Imp unholy Pres > Blood pres for 2h unholy

Spec,
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...0&version=9658

Glyphs:
SS BS
UB or DC

Rotation:
IT PS SS BS BS
SS SS SS

SS SS BS BS
SS SS SS
Repeat

178 RP gained = 4.45 DC/UB dumps
With the UB glyph you can gain .66 DC every 20 seconds.
With the DC glyph you increase DC dmg by 15% ~ .66 DC

90 sec window
Bloood = 9 rotations
Unholy = 10 rotations

Blood = 15% dmg
1.15 * 9 = 10.35

10.35 / 10 = 3.5% dmg increase

Blood pres > Imp unholy pres by 3.5%
IF the extra run speed does not help you.
&
IF you cannot fit an extra RP dump ability

However there is one factor that could swing it either way.
Imp unholy pres means more SS's = more disease uptime and more SS's in general

Disease time 21 seconds with 2 pts in epidemic.

SS SS SS
SS SS BS BS

Blood
5 SS / 21 seconds

76% chance to not have to reapply diseases

SS SS SS
SS SS BS BS
SS SS SS

Unholy
8 SS / 21 seconds

90% chance to not have to reapply diseases

Haste
Also haste is multiplicative so it increases the value of haste for the DK, although it will still likely be a low prior stat blizz will still stick it on our gear.

1.15 * 1.2 * (char haste) = Your total % haste

IE.. Lets say you got 10% haste.
Unholy pres
1.2 * 1.15 * 1.1 = 1.518 51.8% haste That turns your 3.4 sec weapon into a 3.4 / 1.518 = 2.23 speed weapon

Blood pres
1.2 * 1.1 = 1.32 32% haste, That turns your 3.4 sec weapon into 2.58 speed weapon

The actual difference in haste is not 15%, but 19.8%.
This of course means that you will actually do MORE white dmg in Unholy pres than Blood pres.
This also means 19.8% more FC procs...
19.8% faster ghoul, gargoyle, AoTD atk speed... (if you dont time heroism, if you get that in there then its even a larger bonus over blood)

Faster Rune Regeneration and SS glyph
Blood pres = 3.5% dmg increase

76% chance to refresh diseases in blood.

76 SS * 1.035 = 78.66 SS
24 IT * 1.035 = 24.84 IT
24 PS * 1.035 = 24.84 PS
40 BS * 1.035 = 41.4 BS

90% chance to refresh diseases in unholy
90 SS
10 IT
10 PS
40 BS

Difference
14.84 IT
14.84 PS
1.4 BS
v/s
11.34 SS

With 3 diseases
SS = 70% weapon dmg + 555 dmg
PS = 50% weapon dmg + 189 dmg
IT = 236 dmg + .1875 * AP

Dmg modifiers
Outbreak = 20% SS dmg 30% PS dmg
Ebon Plague = 13% SS dmg
RoR = 10% dmg
Bone shield = 2% dmg
2h mastery = 4% dmg
Vicious Stirke = 30% crit dmg

SS
70% * 1.2 * 1.13 * 1.1 * 1.02 * 1.04 = 110.8% wpn dmg + 615 dmg

45% SS crit
.45 * 2.3 * X + .55 * X = 1.585 X

175.6% wpn dmg + 974 dmg

PS
50% * 1.1 * 1.3 * 1.02 * 1.04 = 75.8% wpn dmg + 143 dmg

40% PS crit
.4 * 2.3 * Y + .6* Y = 1.52 Y

115.2% wpn dmg + 217 dmg

Boss armor = 30% dmg reduction
.7 ( 115.2% wpn + 217 dmg)

80.6% wpn dmg + 152 dmg

BS
55% 1.1 * 1.02 * 1.04 = 64.2% wpn dmg + 491 dmg

BS 34% crit
.36 * 2 * A + .64 * A = 1.36 A

87.3% wpn dmg + 668 dmg

Bose armor = 30% dmg redcution
.7 ( 87.3% wpn dmg + 668)

61.1% wpn dmg + 467dmg

For IT lets say you have 5000 atk power on avg
236 + 5000 * .1875 = 1174 dmg

1174 * 1.1 * 1.13 = 1459 dmg

35% IT crit
.35 * 2 * Z + .65 * Z = 1.35 Z

IT dmg = 1970 dmg

So,
14.84 PS = 1196.1% wpn dmg + 2257 dmg
14.84 IT = 29235 dmg
1.4 BS = 85.5% + 654 dmg
v/s
11.34 SS = 1991% wpn dmg + 11045 dmg
SoA = +4763 dmg

1282% wpn dmg + 16518 dmg
v/s
1991% wpn dmg

You would have to do roughly 250 weapon dmg in order for SS to lose this scenario,
Which is of course impossible.
This in turn means that imp unholy pres > blood pres

Conclusion:
Faster rune regeneration and SS glyph more than makes up for the 3.5% dmg loss via blood. but Imp unholy pres also yields:
Extra white dmg + BcB dmg
Pet dmg - AoTD, Garg, and Ghoul
Inc Run speed (Likely acquired by blood as well)
Extra GCDs, which yield extra RP dumps and a tighter rotation

Blood on the other hand has,
Necrosis ~ 10% dmg buff, However, this is more than compensated for the extra white dmg.
15% disease dmg, which I could add into the calcs later, but would be fairly insignificant. Just slightly increase the wpn dmg minimum