Infraction for Thiss: 4. Whining in any form is forbidden.

• Vykromond · 03/30/09, 9:57 AM

Post: Druid Changes Patch 3.1
User: Thiss
Infraction: 4. Whining in any form is forbidden.
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

My opinion on your numbers is that you need a lot more of them for your post to be a decent one. Stuff like this:

I don't believe that after dr warriors and paladins would, if correctly geared, archive this little of an increase

and this:

This stam loss, with the nerf and itemization considered, would leave us at (after ulduar gearing) at equal hp to what we have now on live. This is just an observation i havn't had time to do math.

and this:

Once Ulduar is on farm i feel ferals would be picked last when it comes to tanking clears due to their lack of growth from current gear.

aren't good enough for a supposedly analytical post. Do the math.

Original Post:

I have been noticing alot of problems with itemization when it comes to feral tanks. Very few gear pieces i have seen from 25 Ulduar have a increase in stam from 25 naxx. The 7.5 pads having more then the 8.5 is a perfect example, with less on the previous set. This stam loss, with the nerf and itemization considered, would leave us at (after ulduar gearing) at equal hp to what we have now on live. This is just an observation i havn't had time to do math.

Im worried less about the fact that our hp will remain the same, and more so that with the dodge diminishing returns. It already is so prevalent with current gear already that bears will substantially fall behind not only in stam/armor but in avoidance since we are not able to balance our stats with block and parry. Our avoidance will be hurt substantially as i feel that even with the increase of agil on gear we will not increase enough. My current after dr dodge is 36.3258654. Now assuming that we get even a 15%(hypothetical number) increase in agil, defense, and dodge rating, our after dr dodge would be only 38.2372711. This will be based a lot on how you itemize your character, but it still stands that we will only archive about a 2% increase in dodge. The scaling of the feral spec on ptr comes into question with me. I don't believe that after dr warriors and paladins would, if correctly geared, archive this little of an increase. Dk's while also being hit hard on their own dr's i feel will also out show this low number.

In my opinion, clearing all wrath content on this toon, druids are currently strong tanks capable of tanking all bosses with general ease, but with the looming next patch i do not see a place for us out side of a needed off tank for fights such as iron council and that is just considering progression. Once Ulduar is on farm i feel ferals would be picked last when it comes to tanking clears due to their lack of growth from current gear.

Dr numbers based on, if it is out of date please inform me and i will rework the numbers.
http://thebigbearbutt.com/2008/11/19...ise-and-dodge/

Im looking for your opinions on my numbers but also if you feel the increased mitigation from sd, and tps will help after the increase in ap/crit/haste from gear.