Warning for Obsidyan: 2. All opinions should be stated as succinctly as possible.

• Aldriana · 04/02/09, 4:18 PM

Post: Automated Guild Progress Ranking
User: Obsidyan
Infraction: 2. All opinions should be stated as succinctly as possible.
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Administrative Note:

Message to User:

Please don't quote-split like this.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by andastra

Yes, but some of the "easy" ones require you to do something so stupid and have no worthwhile rewards that most guilds will just skip them.

True. Except if you want to do "100%" of the game. And "do 100% of the game" is what hardcore guilds want to do, right ?

Even if this is stupid, or too easy, they'll do it. And they'll do it as fast as possible.

Originally Posted by andastra

If the underman achievements, for example, are not tied to the meta, most guilds will skip them.

True... Or not.
Underman heroic Malygos is *not* easy. It's not "hard", though. But such an achievement deserves a place in the rankings.
But, you're right, Naxx20 and Sarth20 can be considered as jokes (except Thaddius, maybe. That's why he has an achievement just for himself.)

Originally Posted by andastra

What it boils down to, is that some of these achievements will only be done by guilds to increase their ranking on ranking sites. In essence, you'd end up ranking guilds not on how well they play the game but on how well they play the ranking sites. Because almost nobody without an interest in ranking site padding would do those achievements.

That's right. If these achievements were not in the meta, nobody would do it.
But these easy achievements exist ! And because of that, these easy achievements should be in the ranking. But yes, I agree that they deserve just a small "percentage" of the ranking.

Now, remove the easy achievements. A guild killed all bosses on day 3, and have done Sarth3D on day 10. Another guild killed all bosses on day 8, and have done Sarth3D/Maly6min/Immortal on day 15. The second one is better than the first one, it's obvious. But most of the progression sites say : the first is better than the second. I completely disagree here.