04/26/09, 5:06 PM
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Just an excitable boy
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Post: In-Depth Arms DPS Discussion
User: teatew
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Originally Posted by Paradosi
I was just coming to these forums to say the same thing you and Adventia said before even reading your posts. Now I went back to do more testing on the targeting dummies and couldn't get over 4k DPS again which proves my previous rotation and tests over 5 minutes had more to do with RNG. I was averaging roughly 3600 DPS with these rotations across 5 different tests today:
rend > op > ms > execute > slam
rend > op > execute > ms > slam
Both those priority rotations produced similar results. I'm still conflicted in regards to which to use first MS or Execute, but slightly favor MS as it will improve with 4 piece + higher top end future weapons. Only time it's worth using Execute first is when it procs off of itself or off of a white hit or HS just after you execute. But none of us can tell the future and I think getting in more MS' over the course of a fight will outweigh the odd time you could have got in another execute. So you risk wasting the odd Sudden Death proc at the expense of many more MS'. I think it's really close now but will favor MS in the end.
But then I finally realized, why is OP so high in the priority chain? As long as you OP every 6 seconds, it's better to just keep MS on cooldown and using execute before and even slam as well. In fact, you can safely use any 2 abilities once TFB procs before you even have to OP. So with that in mind I did 5 more tests on the training dummy each 5 minutes long and finally got over 4k dps 3/5 times. The other 2 times I was in the 3800's and 3900's. I just like the consistency of this rotation but it's not a standard rotation like the ones above.
It's more like try to fit in 2 abilities after each TFB proc before you OP using this priority sequence:
rend > ms > execute > slam
What's also so great about this rotation, it uses a lot more excess rage into DPS than other rotations. It also allows you to get more slams in as well which is beneficial with the old and new 2 piece set bonus. Now I wasn't able to delay OP for slam as much as I'd like on the training dummy because rage was an issue. So I'll toy with this more in raids. But just for now I recommend people at least delaying OP for Rend (if down) and MS & Execute when they're up on a target dummy and see how that works out for you. Just try and get 2 abilities in before using OP when TFB procs.
In raids I'll test this out rather aggressively and post some results. So if rend is up and execute isn't, and MS was just used as TFB procs, I plan to Slam, Slam, then OP to really test this theory of getting in at least 2 of the main abilities in our rotation after every TFB proc before I OP.
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i just attempted a few of these rotations and pulled ~3.2-3.6k over the span of 10 minutes or so; finding myself too much in low rage situations and resorting to 2x slams instead of ms (would this push swing-rage generation > 0.5s?).
not sure how you are pulling 4k+ (think our gear's fairly comparable)...would love to see some abiilities breakdowns or the results of your further test, if/when possible.
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