Originally Posted by Avitus

I think you're taking what I said out of context. I am not saying we should be a support class and I have agreed that we need more to distinguish a good player by DPS, not all encounters require an equal amount of utility.

However I do think you're downplaying utility. I have in many occasions made the difference with an AoW heal or a timed bubble HoSac. It heavily depends on the content you're doing. Doing fights like Freya hardmode, Thorim hardmode you can really see where DPS and healing is stretched thin to the breaking point and any such extra tricks make the difference.

If the content is easy then obviously there's little room for any of this (I very rarely used any of this in Naxx) and there's a need for ret to distinguish itself in other ways.