Infraction for bruceleroy99: 9. Do not sign your posts.

• bartolimu · 04/28/09, 11:10 AM

Post: DK Tanking Discussion
User: bruceleroy99
Infraction: 9. Do not sign your posts.
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This is an extremely shitty post and I should probably give you more than one infraction for it, but I'm feeling magnanimous at the moment. Try lurking a bit more until you figure out how to post more appropriately.

Original Post:

So, I started 3.1 with two specs that I've been tanking Ulduar with (both 10 and 25), but I'm looking to optimize them as best I can. Here are the specs I'm using now:
Primary - 25/5/41
Secondary - 11/55/5

First, I love imp + glyphed rune tap. It has saved my ass on many occasions thus far, and I hate giving up imp rune tap for my secondary spec (which I actually probably use more than my primary). I haven't seen anyone else really using RT in a frost build, and I'm considering dumping it since it's not as useful as I'd like and I'd end up dropping acclimation, a point in KM, and go to 2/5 anticipation to get fully imp. RT. Also, unless I'm going for a strong single target build I don't feel like a frost VotTW build [such as 25/42/4] would be as viable as an UH + VotTW build.

Second, I'm looking to pick up morbidity for my frost spec, and potentially the HB glyph as well. If it procs imp. IT (as I've seen mentioned) and applies FF before doing damage (thus utilizing TS and GR), that's win, but I haven't been able to get the glyph yet so I haven't been able to check for myself.

I'm looking to swap to these specs:
25/5/41
10/53/8
Edit: Without CotG, it's a 10/51/8 +2 spec, which could actually be put in a lot of places [ie SoB] instead of CotG.

Questions:
@ SoB:
- Is 2/5 Dark Conviction better than 2/3 SoB? I haven't seen any #s anywhere on their TPS values point-for-point, but I feel like DC would be better for lesser geared tanks since they wouldn't be getting as many Rune Strikes to use up all the extra RP, but I could be wrong... If anyone does actually have the TPS ratings for each, I'd be interested to see them.
- Is a point in SoB over a point in BA, 2H spec, or SD worth it now with the changes from 3.1? Alternatively, which is the LEAST valuable point out of {SoB, BA, 2H spec, SD}?

@ RT / VotTW:
- Has anyone tried a frost spec with RT or a frost + VotTW build as of 3.1 and found it extremely useful? I'm definitely a huge fan of the 30s CD on imp RT and would love to pick it up, but I can't find anything I want to drop for imp RT (except acclimation due to the fact that it's unreliable). I also like HB, but would be willing to give it up due to the 8s CD, although HB + morbidity would be amazing for fights like Thorim...

@ original Frost spec (11/55/5):
- Are acclimation and KM actually worthwhile talents as a frost tanking spec? Acclimation seems to be useful for Hodir, and not much more than that in Ulduar (yes, it can proc from a lot of things, but none of them are extremely high on the list of things that would kill a tank unless people fuck up) and I'd rather have the 15s off of DnD's CD than the spotty +50-150 res to various resistances.
- Is 2/5 KM better than 2/2 CotG (either with or without SoB)?

@ Glyphs
- Is the IBF glyph worth using to replace the glyph of disease (assuming it does increase the overall DR by 10%, giving 540 def 50% DR instead of 40%)? I do like glyph of disease, but haven't seen much discussion on it's worthiness in a tanking build (granted its usefulness diminishes when considering only single target fights unless you're doing rotations that spam oblit and cycle a pestilence every 5s to keep up blade barrier).
- Is the HB glyph worth replacing imp. RT / disease with? If it procs IT, it makes it a lot more useful, imo, and if it utilizes TS / GR on an un-diseased target then I'd say definitely (although I'm pretty sure it doesn't). Alternatively, I could grab the HC glyph to do HC->HB, introducing a GCD before HB but guaranteeing utilization of TS and GR unless the HB'd mobs are out of the HC range (which most of the time isn't an issue).

Any other questions / comments about the specs are welcome as well, but these were my biggest uncertainties.

-Mjollner