Warning for MrBadidea: 6. Do not post unless you have something new and worthwhile to say.

• Vykromond · 05/02/09, 2:27 PM

Post: Ulduar
User: MrBadidea
Infraction: 6. Do not post unless you have something new and worthwhile to say.
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Don't quote split. For that matter this is a pretty silly slapfight anyway so let's just quit while we're ahead, OK?

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Sillia

The vortices weren't available until 2.4.0 (Sunwell) was opened and that tier of content was essentially "obsolete", at least two full content patches after the level of gear the vortices afforded was initially available.

And yet, you still compare Ulduar 10 to Ulduar 25 as though they're the same level of content. Think of the 25 mans as being a full tier ahead of the 10 man counterpart (which, at least in terms of pure item level, they are) and things are closer cut. By the time 10 mans have progressed to the point where Conquest badges are, and by extension, Runed Orbs, the majority and not the exception for hardmode kills, then the drop patterns will be sat around the same quality. Perhaps to keep things interesting, there'll be new patterns that make use of the Runed Orbs that have been collected by the 10 man teams that will be specifically available to them, but it does seem as though something is missing without there being any source of any patterns for the 10 man raiders at all.

Originally Posted by Sillia

Furthermore, the nether vortices had a HUGE use outside of dropped patterns - tier 3 blacksmithing weapons (and armor). You can't tell me that weapons like [Stormherald] was almost zero use.

...which was comparatively useless for the vast majority of the player base. I can think of nothing else bar the BS patterns that used Vorticies, prior to 2.4. And I'm pretty sure we can all agree, that weapon was more of an outlier than the norm for Vortex use without drop patterns. Those weapons themselves were sat just outside of T5 itemlevel (a lot closer to T5 than T4).

You can scream and shout all you want, but without doing higher tiers of content, you shouldn't be getting higher tiers of gear, which is precisely what the drop patterns/runed orbs are.

Originally Posted by Sillia

I do think that it is kind of crappy that the recipes are not available outside of 25s, but it may just be that not enough people are doing hard modes to actually see any drop.

That I can agree on. Until recently, I was a solid 10 man raider that occasionally pugged 25s on the weekend. Perhaps not the same patterns, but definitely something; it's that kind of stuff that made me want to take the jump over to full time 25 man raiding, the fact that I know if somethings going to be implemented I'm going to eventually have access to it, rather than it being perpetually out of my reach.