Infraction for dotout: 1. All posters are to make an effort to communicate clearly.

• bartolimu · 05/12/09, 10:46 AM

Post: General Mage Discussion and Information
User: dotout
Infraction: 1. All posters are to make an effort to communicate clearly.
Points: 1

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I can't really tell what you're trying to say here because your grammar and spelling are bad enough to make your post impossible to read.

Original Post:

Hey guys,
I't written on all walls in orgrimar and stormwind that spell damage > crit > haste for fire specs.
I'm using the FB/TTW spec and i've seen a rather strange thing going on. As far as i know spell damage scales linearly, the spell gets a % from total spellpower based on the cast time. I think it's (cast_time * 100 / 3.5 sec) with normalisation to 1.5secs and 7 secs. What i seem to find out that most stats tend to bend into a curve and not a linear function when reaching some decent values.
On the other way i can compare myself with another mage in raid, same spec, we trade focuses, that has less 120spell damage but more 100 haste rating and the 4 t7 set bonus. His dps output can easily surpass mine at about 3-400dps while we are doing the same rotations and getting same buffs. I know a lot of dps coming from mages can be purely luck related, i've seen runs with crit -> normal -> crit -> normal so no HS in 2 minutes, but i suppose it all gets to a distribution in the end that should be expanded on a time-span and you get what you loose here later.

The question that remains, can we consider that ~2000k spell power unbuffed, it's worth to give up 111 spell power for 100 haste, though officially the math 1 haste ~ 0.6 spell power sais it's a bad ideea? I would try to model the math but i'm lazy, would need to take in account that more spells -> more crit chances -> more HS procs probability, that is not easy additions and substractions, plus the haste brute value actually scales up with the spell power. I think there is a similar relation between haste and crit.

I think a good explanation would be that for example your 1st 100 haste rating has a bigger impact then your last 100 to reach 400 especially at decent to very high spell power values.

rawr seems to be easily giving up 60-70 spell power for the same amount of haste or crit.

What i can imagine is a 4-dimensional function DPS(spell_power, crit_rating, haste_rating) with a constant TIME in it that is actually a form where we could see which combination brings the best output for a specific spell. What i want to see is the moment where 1 crit rating will be actually worth less then 1 haste rating and they are both more important then 1 spell power even if general rules say that sp>crit>haste for fire.

Does this make any sense to anyone, think it's worth investigating? I can try some matlab testing for this but i'm curious what you guys thing about this before i invest some time in this.

I'll apologise in advance in case this question has been answered before, i did not really looked through all forum posts. If info is somewhere there even a nice keyword for search would be appreciated.