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• bartolimu · 06/11/09, 11:37 AM

Post: [Resto] Best Practices: PvE Healing Discussion
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Originally Posted by Jessamy

Saying most classes don't need Tide is shortsighted. Sure a thoughtful dps or healer player can come up with a rotation that makes effective use of the mana they have. But do you use that standard spell priority on Vaelastrasz? More mana will make a difference. If your fellow healers don't need it, give it to a dps caster. If they truly don't need it, put yourself in a party with a rogue or hunter pet to share your Heroic Presence, or with another resto shaman to share their Tide. Yes Tide requires planning to use effectively, but you should be paying attention to party composition anyway.

Heroic Presence is raid-wide now and does not stack with other Draenei.

I have yet run into anyone that plans their raid around using Mana Tide specifically for other casters besides the occasional boomkin or multiple resto shaman...
I've been put into caster dps groups and healer groups, with the consideration that Mana Tide will affect them, but not with that as the primary goal.

Party composition is fairly bygone, you're quoting Vaelastrasz when I'm fighting Mimiron and Freya.

I don't know the last time you played, or if you're using comments from Vanilla WoW as a joke, but the raid environment is very different.
I see you've been through the content. Why are you quoting fights that are no longer relevant?
You should be saying that the extra mana during Mimiron P2 is useful during the heavy-spam healing...
To which I'd reply: "the other healers should not be gearing and gemming to rely on the extra regen brought by a Resto shaman. It is somewhat naive to have part of your effective regen relying solely on another single player being at the raid."

Maybe I'm wrong and should be basing my intellect around having the mage Arcane Brilliance in raids at all times? It's a given, sure- the content is based around it.
Has content been balanced around all healers and caster dps REQUIRING Mana Tide? No. Every class is capable of self-regenning efficiently and effectively enough to never NEED Mana Tide.

Mana Tide is a consideration for party mana regen for other healers or caster dps, but it's very rare that you hear, "oh, we gotta put the resto shaman in with 4 other mana users" --
From my experience, Mana Tide affecting the party has often been a very secondary concern when a raid leader is composing a party.
I've gotten placed with tanks for cleansing totem, and that was a very specific and concious decision by the raid leader- "Hey, put him in with the tanks to put down cleansing totem." There was no "but they'll lose Mana Tide!" remark from anyone else. The other healers have their own regen and Mana Tide is a little bit of gravy on top of the amazing biscuits they already have.
I've never had a raid leader say, "We have to keep that resto shaman in with the other healers to drop Mana Tide, otherwise the other healers will go oom!" -it's always been more like, "well, put the resto shaman in with the other healers so they'll get mana tide too..."
>>> It's never been something that was a dire need. It's always been a nice little extra to make us feel useful.
>>>I've been specifically used to drop cleansing totem (party-only still), and relegated to healer/caster groups if not needed for cleansing.

Yes, that is to say, Mana Tide is a good group mana regen tool that no other class really has (Judgement of Wisdom requires you to stop healing and target boss) besides maybe the long cooldown of a priest (Hymn)...
But it's never been something that a raid is completely based around in WotLK-- with replenishment and self-regen tools, the other healers operate just fine.

I admit that Mana Tide should be included as "aoe mana regen" but in this statement, should it be a separate ability like a priest Hymn or should it be the only self-regen cooldown a shaman has for mana?
Shouldn't Mana Tide be the 'Hymn' that we blow when the group really needs it, and have another cooldown like Innervate or Divine Plea that is for us only?
Is it too much to ask to have a mana-fiend AND an "aoe" mana regen cooldown?