Warning for Lyska: 2. All opinions should be stated as succinctly as possible.

• Aldriana · 09/19/09, 2:53 AM

Post: [Enhancement] BiS gear and set-up discussion
User: Lyska
Infraction: 2. All opinions should be stated as succinctly as possible.
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Please don't quote-split.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Palioh

I have been using the haste build and found it to be quite successful. Since the two of you seem to want to use Jaraxxus as a base comparison, here is our latest kill. As for gear, I'm a bit ahead, but I don't think by too much.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Now, I really don't know how much of a difference gemming AP with this gear would make, but I can definitely feel the Haste in the maelstrom stacks and using 3/4 MSW on Lightning Bolts. The latter is something I'm just getting used to, but it seems like it's working out alright.

Look at the overall raid DPS. The majority (11) of your raid was doing over 6k. Your fight lasted ~320 seconds whereas both Rouncer's and Vespasian's were over 390 seconds. You can't really compare yours to theirs.

Originally Posted by Palioh

Edit:
The only fight, so far, that I think a Haste build will fall below an AP build is Twins. I'm more specifically talking about the shields they put up. During these shields I know you are not getting MSW procs and I don't think you're getting Static Shock procs, but I could be mistaken there. The AP builds would allow you to get the most out of your SS, LL, ES which are unaffected by Haste and would most probably lead to more shield damage. Other than that, I don't see a Haste build falling behind AP at any point, even on Anub's aoe.

I am going to argue that AP>haste on Anub's AoE. Haste has next to no effect on an ability with a CD that's significantly longer than the GCD. You will do less damage on CL and Magma Totem while doing ~the same to Anub. Not to mention the notion that haste is better with more time spent on a target. With the submerges and the necessity of bursting down the Scarabs, AP is still better IMO (I'm sure there is math that can and probably will be done.. but I don't feel like doing it).

Originally Posted by Deathicle

Before t9, Enchanting and JCing were widely considered to be the best professions for enhancement shamans

I'm not sure why you or anyone would think one flat +80 AP is any better than another +80 AP profession.

Originally Posted by Deathicle

Certain race's have abilities that enhance their performance, shouldn't that be factored in?

Anyone can regem and get new gear. No one (yes, that's a blanket statement) is going to reroll until race changes come out, which is not now. I know my DPS will go up when I switch to troll, but there is absolutely no point in worrying about it until the time comes that I have to make a decision. I realize that some people faction change, but that is not something you can simply do without changing factions and guilds, which is impractical if you're doing so for the sake of DPS.