Warning for Raut: 3. All discussion should be both polite and civil.

• Aldriana · 10/05/09, 8:04 PM

Post: EnhSim, DPS simulator
User: Raut
Infraction: 3. All discussion should be both polite and civil.
Points: 0

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

Try to be a bit more polite when explaining the matter. Just because people don't understand a given point of theorycraft doesn't make them complete idiots.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Levva

If Astrylian the Rawr creator had his way the EP values tab would completely disappear, unfortunately he doesn't get rid of it because of the wailing and gnashing of teeth he fears from users if he did.

If you assume that the EP values display doesn't exist at all in Rawr you are going to get dramatically better results than if you even glance at it. Bottom line NEVER EVER use Rawr for EP values. EP values are crap at the best of times Rawr ones I never look at and would advise you do the same. Note the massive red disclaimer text saying DON'T rely on this.

If you really really really can't do without the crutch of EP values and you simply must delude yourself that they are meaningful then stick to EnhSim's EP values results.

Your gearing would be significantly better if you just ran EnhSim to get DPS results and ignored EP values as a quaint relic of past times.

I think you are deluding yourself. Again. This EP bashing happens with a couple of months between. It's getting really old.

EP isn't magic numbers that solves your DPS and gearing issues instantly. It's not silly digits drawn randomly from a hat to delude people into thinking "stat X gud" either. EP is stat weighing based on DPS gains by introducing more of said stat. And that's it. Any added problems due to this, like removing another stat, reaching a soft/hard cap, diminishing returns and whatnot, are problems outside of actual EP. Yes, it's too bad that gear doesn't come as stat X+5% as EP would be a lot easier but that's just not how itemization is. Yes, it's far better to calculate individual sets and see how that affects your personal DPS. Yes, EP just shows trends in stat weighing. But this is known factors for a lot of us. We know of EP's limitations and keep them in mind when working with EP. So for all that do this, you propose removing the only source of looking at all gear to see trends in upgrade paths, just to get what? Shots in the dark with Rawr exports into EnhSim? Rawr has to use something to weigh gear and EnhSim takes too long to individually calculate sets.

Warning newbes is fine. Explaining the shortcomings of EP to people that don't understanding it is fine. Spreading FUD about EP is not fine.