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Old 10/09/09, 4:11 PM   #1
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I had originally planned to provide this in a private message but decided to post here since it may have relevance for others with similar questions.

In regards to your question about Survival Instincts, it is still a better talent choice than putting it in other options after the 56th point in MM. The 4% crit for SS and ArS when you use it is very beneficial.

Now do not get me wrong, I still think you need points in IHM too for your benefit as well as the benefit of other hunters in your raid. According to the spreadsheet, here is the current DPS value of each point in the following talents with using a 7/60/7 spec. The additional 3 points is used so that there will be a consistent talent base when removing points from talent being analyzed.

SI: 37
IHM: 32 (+ benefit to other hunters in raid)
IB: 31
ISS: 19

As you can see, SI is more valuable for you personally in the ideal fight than any of the other 3 options. In addition. it still applies in movement situations where you sub in a ArS for an SS, but its benefit is reduced. It has no benefit in AoE situations.

IHM is the next important for you personally, but is even more important for the overall raid DPS increase, altough the benefit only applies to marked targets.

IB is a close third with its value increased by being applicable in all situations - both standstill and movement fights as well as in AoE situations.

ISS is a distant last with its benefit being reduced by not being applicable during AoE situations and being less applicable while moving as compared to the other 3.

Thus, the clear choice to me, which is how I am personally specced when need no points in FA is a 7/57/7 build with 3/3 IHM, 3/3 IB, and 1 or 2 points in ISS depending on whether u have a second point in RR or not. When need FA points, I pull from ISS first, then one from IB, then the last from either IB or IHM. Alternatively, you could pull from SI instead of IHM/IB.

The spreadsheet shows this change as a 48 DPS increase for you in a standstill fight. In movement fights, I believe that the benefit will be even higher since the value of your current 3/3 ISS is reduced more than the other options.

I would also suggest switching to the TSA glyph instead of Hawk. It shows up as a 6 DPS increase in the ideal fight, but it is even a greater increase in movement fights.

With how much crit is value to MM with our large crit damage modifiers (including PS), its synergy with ArP, and the regen of focus for our pet, we really cannot have too much crit in most situations.
This is very helpful. I like that trick of overloading talents and then removing. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
 
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