Infraction for Jezbelle: Stop posting

• Vykromond · 11/03/09, 4:26 PM

Post: Retribution: 3.3 PTR Changes
User: Jezbelle
Infraction: Stop posting
Points: 6

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

You don't have any idea what you're talking about, and your attitude is obnoxious and childish. Take a week off to actually read the information here about ret to help with your total cluelessness, and maybe cool off that temper of yours.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Malleus

This is wrong. Using Glyph of Exo and setting Rawr parameters to mob type Undead, I get 8500 DPS with the rotation set to J-CS-DS-HoW-Cons-Exo. Swapping Exo and Cons causes a drop to 8386 DPS.

As Zurm said, Exo is always last.

Exorcism is a GUARANTEED 7k+ damage on and undead target and you guys think it's LAST in priority? lol

Originally Posted by Zurm

No, not really. Consecrate is MUCH better than exorcism. Even on an undead or demon mob, consecrate ticks for about 800 average (thats including partial/full resists, for me). Exorcism on a crit with resists factored in crits for about 7000. So comparison of DPS:

Consecration:
Effective CD: 12s
Effective Uptime: ~83%
Effective DPS: 664

Exorcism:
Effective CD: 19s
Effective DPS: 368

This is assuming 1 target, so for exorcism to beat consecrate, consecration would need to be less than 55% effective.

You guys seem to have some flawed understanding of Ret. I see a lot of breakdowns of dps of spells being calculated based on its CD time and this "effective dps" is being used as the basis of spell priority decisions. WRONG...all our spells are INSTANT cast so we just have to look at how much damage that INSTANT cast is going to provide, period.

We work on a FCFS Priority system which means:
When multiple INSTANT abilities are available to cast INSTANTLY at the same time (clashing), cast the ability that will provide the best DAMAGE at given situation depending on AoE, Undead/Demon, Single target etc.

now lets just do a quick "garbage math" example just to make a point, assume properly hit/exp capped and seal damage added on already

single target ability damage averages:
Judgement (5 stack Vengeance) = 9k ish
Crusader Strike = 4k ish
Divine Storm = 4.5k ish
Consecration = 3.5k ish
Exorcism = 4k ish
Exorcism (UNdead/Demon) = 8k ish

Single target NON Undead/Demon:
J 9k (+ mana) => DS 4.5k => CS 4k => Exo 4k (can RARELY miss) => Cons 3.5k (mob needs to NOT move out)

Single target Undead/Demon
J 9k (+mana) => Exo 8k (can RARELY miss) => DS 4.5k => CS 4k => Cons 3.5k (mob needs to NOT move out)

Exorcism should ALWAYS receive high priority on single target Undead/Demon targets. Mind you things also change depending on number of mobs. If I have MORE than 4 mobs then Consecrate becomes 1 then DS at 2, whereas 3-4 mobs i would give DS 1.

Don't worry I will keep sitting in top 5 while you g15 idiots sit down in the 10-15th dps spot.