If a warrior is rooted, frost nova'd or what have you, they are in exactly the same boat, they need their team mates to remove the snare. Intercept is merely the tool for getting them back into melee range, it doesn't free them (currently) from movement impairing effects.

Even the proposed change to Intercept/Charge where it will remove slowing effects will do nothing still against immobilising ones.

Though not the easiest to pull off..dont forget warriors also have intervene which can be very handy for getting out of nasty suituations.

IMO Rogues need buffs to be able to resist being stunned/cced and assist trained on (like said by many people above).
-Paladins need nerfing, the fact they can be a pve build with pve gear(almost) in a pvp environment is overpowered compared to the rest of the healing classes. Priests, shamans and druids have to give up upwards of 600+ healing to stay alive, where as paladins more like 100-200. This gives them an advantage already, plus with high crit, cheap spells and powerful regen they are real powerhouses along with the highest resistance to CC and survivability of any class.
-Or blizzard could buff the other healing classes, but I think this is pretty hard to do. Priests and shamans are where they ought to be imo,they are vunerable and both got serious weaknesses,but bring some very powerful buffs and abilities to the field(mana burn, heroism, totems, dispel). Druids are nice if they can pull of being a superb pvp bear + healer + cyclonebot, otherwise outclassed.
-Entrapment needs fixing, or distance between pillars in blade's edge needs to be reduced so that a slowed character can make the jump.
-Warrior damage is very high with the 500+ top end weapons everyone and their dog has these days, and combined with 15 sec intercept really pulverise squishies. Not too sure what to do with this..perhaps small nerf to mortal strike base damage or -healing effect, but buff improved mortal strike and the 41 point talent so that deathwish is a real choice, not some free talent.

Paladins only have to give up 100-200 healing to stay alive in arenas? News to me, I drop from 1500 healing to 900 healing (gain like 2.5k hp, this is all non-gladiator gear mind), and I still drop like a rock.

One of the things I notice often when people try to discuss arena teams, is a disconnect occurs between strategy and balance when discussing "high level" play and everything else.

Not to be rude, but if you have some brilliant strategy or analysis, but your team is rated at 1450, maybe you should fill them in with your amazing ideas before sharing with the rest of us. Its getting annoying to have to look up every person on the armory to see if its worth reading their posts.

I dropped from 1620 to ~1450, while my crit went from 19 to 24%, gaining 1.1k hp, ~160 resi, and loosing ~35 mp5, but gaining the infamous 15% extra silence/interrupt resist.
But yea, it's rather questionable that both warriors and paladins can both mostly ignore defensive stats (in comparison, our shaman lost ~200 healing, ~100mp5, some max mana and gained ~200 resi, 3k+ hp and that silence resist), while other have hard time trying to stay alive a simple assist train.

I'd actually kinda like to see that change, but ofcourse, not in a form of singlesided nerf, but rather in a form of change :]

Sorry, but the top teams' paladins have a lot more healing than the other classes, and its because they can stack +healing gems/enchants and other gear. They know they won't be targeted first, and rightly so because getting the paladin down is very hard even with mass dispel.

E.g http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/ch...hondrius&n=Sck Sck of Power Trip. (1268 +healing)
vs
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/ch...ius&n=Iamvhell Iamvhell of Power Trip. (869 +healing)

And:

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mal'Ganis&n=Avick Avick of Ninjas in Pyjamas (965 +healing)

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mal'Ganis&n=Neans Neas of Ninjas in Pyjamas (1274 +healing)

I could list many armoury profiles, including my own team, which although is no way near these guys (we have 2127 rating atm) where our paladin though stamined up his gear is at ~1200 +healing, and Im at ~950 +healing, and our paladin is actually saying he may give up some of his stamina for some extra crit or regen.

Plus dont get me started on regen...I went from having 450 spirit + 150 mana/5 unbuffed in pve gear to 200 spirit and ~40 mana/5 in gladiator gear. Paladins keep the majority of their mana/5 AND keep their crit chance.

A spirit based regen model is flawed in pvp and is one of the priest's weaknesses but I understand that, and I am glad blizzard don't put spirit on our gear since it would be worthless. A bit more intellect or mana/5 would be appreciated (I think intellect would be a better idea) but the stamina eats up a big chunk of the item points.

EDIT: Just to compared to Viluliina above, from pve to pvp gear, I gain 2% crit, 4700 hp (lawl cloth pve itemisation), 230 resilience and silence resistance but lost 1k mana, the regen as stated and around -500 +healing. The problem is pretty obvious.

I've scarcely played pvp pre tbc, because i was specced to heal in instance and no one cared to support me in bgs (PUG ofc), BUT from TBC's release i started pvping a bit. I'm not an expert, i admit it, but:

1) I think it's difficult to have perfect balance for all classes combination in every kind of situation. It's fairly possible that classes that are greatly advantaged at 1v1 and 2v2, in 5v5 are worst than the ones they are used to own.
Ok, rogues, indeed, have quite an hard time because they have CDs on every key skill BUT i'm quite worried about what would be the result in 1v1 (world pvp)/ 2v2 arena matches if blizz buffs rogues to give them higher survivability in 5v5 arena. I don't think they need a buff in the others pvp enviroments.
Personally i wouldn't do more than put Heightened Senses less deep in his tree, just to add a bit more survivability. Anything else could really be risky for other kinds of pvp, probably.

2) Arena just started, it's only normal that the "easy to spot" strategies are used first, with time i think new strategies (aka group setup) will be developed, and, most likely, the first spotted will not be the only (and, maybe, neither the best) ones: think about the "warrior/pala" axiom and "Team Hex" (or "Something Hex", can't remember).

All in all, i don't think it would be wise to do a lot of changes based only on the basis of the first season of 5v5 arena. Only small variations should be done after such a brief test on only ONE of the many kind of pvp scenario, because more time is needed for an accurate evaluation.

This comes from someone which is levelling a rogue to play it in arena pvp (best kind of pvp imho) so i'm gonna feel those problems on my own skin soon.

I'd not exactly call us miniscule anymore at this point

Every time I read a thread like this, I wonder why there isn't more of an issue made over Mortal Strike. The whole idea of Mortal Strike is idiotic. It halves the effectiveness of a primary class role, and it never goes away. Imagine a retooled version of Shadow Embrace that reduced physical damage by 50% instead of 5%. Wouldn't that be silly? Isn't that just the stupidest thing you've ever heard? Well, that's exactly what Mortal Strike is.

From a development standpoint, one of the biggest clues that an element of your game might be degenerate is when your players start building everything else around that element. This is precisely the situation in 5v5 right now - team composition should be about asking the question: "how do we put together five classes that work well together?" Instead, it's "how do we best augment this warrior and his monstrously degenerate debuff?"

5v5 is still somewhat interesting in its current unhealthy state, but I think it would be infinitely more enjoyable if Mortal Strike were fixed and the whole Warrior And His Paladin Friend thing went away.

Although I agree that the MS debuff is quite retarded in the way that it halves the effectiveness of a primary class role; there's a few things that always made me reconsider whining about the ability. Considering that the warrior has to be in melee range to perform MS and that warriors are one of the most easily kited classes in the game, the ability does seem "balanced" to me in 5v5 (and since Blizzard always argued that the game is balanced around group pvp and not 1v1 or 2v2, I understand why the ability exists in its current form).
A good and concentrated team can easily break the "Warrior+Paladin" thing. In my 5v5 team it's usually up to me alone to control one or two warriors by simply removing their BoF while my warrior/hunter kites them, it turns 2warrior teams into jokes.

From the same perspective I do however think Curse of Tongues is rediculous right now. Ofcourse the easy counter-argument is "It's decursable" but the fact that it's instant and has no cooldown makes it able to almost permanently disable a healer from a distance. I think if CoT had a (for example) 12s cooldown it would be alot more balanced in 5v5.


-edit: It's all about the setup :/

I think MS is a bit overpowered (I think the fix was mentioned before, make base MS 25% debuff then make imp MS put the ability back at 50%, this fixes Warriors by removing other talents choices somewhat).

CoT is cast by a very squishie class, and two classes can remove it; it only lasts 12 seconds (also it is cast by the "debuffer" class, even though that is not really true, that is the dev's description). This curse removes possible damage the Lock can do via CoAgony, so it is somewhat balanced around that.

Regardless, I think both abilities are not changing, so it is best to plan around them.