I don't see how.

The teams that have had success against my hunter/priest team in the 1800 bracket have done the following:

Once I kill the felhunter they instant summon a void walker, harder to kill, takes longer.

Once I am about to kill the voidy, the lock LOSs and begins summoning another voidy and as i killed the first one, the second one was instantly up, you can repeat this as much as necessary. Its very difficult to focus on killing one pet while making sure the lock isnt summoning another, I assume this would be the ideal strategy against hunter/druid as well.

I've had this happen a half a dozen times. Your druid can/should/probably is drinking during that time anyway so basically this extends a game usually beyond 45-60 minutes. It's basically a stalemate and the team that wins is the team that doesn't fall asleep over the next hour as you both repeat the same motions indefinitely.

When warlocks start doing this crap to me it really makes me want to cause physical harm to something or someone.

I've been musing over team combinations and possibilities people haven't really explored. There are a few oddball class specs out there that have a hard time meshing in with most standard team makeups. Specifically I was thinking about Enhancement Shaman, who have high physical damage, solid offensive dispel, and other spell effect mitigation through totems. What would happen if you paired a good Enhancement Shaman with a competent Retribution Paladin? This gives the Shaman access to things like BoF and defensive dispel, and gives Windfury to the Ret Paladin. I don't have a Ret Paladin for testing, and my Shaman just hit 70 two weeks ago. Still, it's fun to play out "what if"s in my mind.

Yes, there would be a fair amount of susceptibilities I'm sure, but has anyone actually tried such a combo?

I run 2v2 with a resto shaman friend and we have run into this pairing a few times in the 1500s bracket and it really wasn't that bad to take. Ret pallies have some insane burst right off the bat but it seems if you can live through their first burst with some good healing, offensive purging, that the rest of the fight is easy. Enhance shaman just die way to fast in 2v2 without a healer backing them up. A nastier combo we ran into was ret pally/warrior. Who knows if there are more of ret paladain/enhance shaman at higher ratings, but I somehow doubt it.

I've tried this a bit, and what happens is that either you kill someone in the first 30 seconds, or the Paladin gets CCed, he pops bubble, the other team plays defensively for 10 seconds, then re-CCs the Paladin and kills me. Blessing of Freedom also isn't what it once was and you only have one BoF for two people.

Although.... Druid is a pretty dominate healer in 2v2 now, so it might be worth a new look. I can see beating Warrior/Druid and Warlock/Healer, but losing to Rogues and double DPS make ups in general.

This team has too much susceptibility to polymorph/rooting to be effective. Even with BoF, you still only get to free one person. Any poly on the ret paladin should be a loss, as enhancement shaman are easily kited by almost any class. You will never touch a reasonable resto druid, and the 2x physical dps will never allow your burst to be effective on a paladin. You have a shot at beating priest/x teams or bad 2dps teams that forget to CC. You have zero mana drain potential, lacking even a mortal strike effect, so you will never win a long game.

I've run my warrior + 1 team against enhancement shaman + 1 several times. It's a pretty easy win, but then again, most enhancement shaman are bad. (My +1 has at times this season been a paladin, resto druid, disc/holy priest, and mage(!))

And now for my own question.

I currently run warrior/druid. What are some reasonable tactics to use against hunter/druid? This seems like it counter-comps warrior/druid very well, and I'm not exactly sure what any strategy to beat this team would be. A well-coordinated hunter/druid team has permanent cc on the Warrior, so basically I have to watch as they slowly kill my resto druid when I can do nothing to protect him.

Killing a pet seems like a waste of time, as the hunter can easily Revive Pet during a long cc chain (regularly 20 or more seconds without a break).

Any ideas would be great. I'm really banging my head on this one and not coming up with much.

PS. My druid is in bear about 80% of the match, so Viper Sting isn't a huge problem. It gives us enough time to execute a strategy, if there were one that I could think of.

Speaking of goofy teams, my shaman buddy asked to level up my druid to form an elem shaman/resto druid team. Could this be the worst team ever?

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I'm not a strong PVPer by any means (I just started arena this week, so you can see how late I am to getting in the game), and this is an innocent question, but does the Void Walker actually do anything to make it worthy of killing? It sounds like it's a time waster. Is it to just allow your druid to drink? I can't see the VW sacrifice shield doing much against a hunter team.

Double dps would wreck your priest even faster then double dps wrecks druid teams. You have no NS heal, no poison removal, and no substantial hots to put on your warrior when you have to play the LOS game. You gain fear and fear ward at the expensive of multiple heal interrupts and cc's. Not a great trade there either.

Warriors could work well but you lack the lockdown ability of a rogue to get your priest the space he needs to operate with defensively and the tools the rogue utilizes to free his priest up to be offensive.

I've started PVPing with a friend of mine who plays a spriest that's already attained 2k+ rating this season in 2s with another rogue. We've only played about 25 games but seem to hover around 1825. The other rogue had double illidan blades, full T6, ect.; while I have the S2 swords with full PVP gear.

My question is, should I go mutilate instead of swords? I've already conned my friends into helping me get the Renataki trinket, which I should have in less than 2 months. And muti seems to have a bit more "forgiving" burst than my current AR/prep build. If I blow AR at the wrong time, we're screwed. I should also note that they (spriest and previous rogue) did obtain 2k+ before 2.3.2. Any constructive thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

I play on a fairly odd 2v2 team... Feral Druid / Holy Pally... We're both significantly under geared (quest blues/greens - just hit 70), but have no problem with survival. Our problem comes in with damage... After reading a lot more in Holy Pally PvP thread, I'm getting a much better handle on the fact that LoS/JoJ/Kiting have a much larger part to play than I'm giving them currently. Has anyone seen/heard anything about a feral druid being able to keep up damage wise well enough to compete in 2v2, I can put out a quick 1.5-2k burst, but we're not even getting to the point that a 2k burst is what would help... Is it a problem that some actual gear will solve? Any suggestions?

Is it worth swapping to a resto / ret combo?

I don't think either of those combos will do particularly well since neither DPS has either a healing reducing effect or a way to drain the other team's mana (which are present on all of the successful DPS/healer teams).

This team is brutal to make work. With my resto druid we are pushing into the low 1900's but this requires patience and then some. The problem isn't the damage an Ele shaman is capable (perhaps the highest of any class burst wise), but rather protecting their mana pool (Their totems are near impossible to protect vs pets) is a challenge and then some. With the in ability to help the druid with the exception of shocking casts and trying to pressure their team into a defensive turtle via burst. If your ele shaman runs outta mana, the game then becomes the run around and LoS their team while you regen enough to try a burst tatic with heavy CC on their healer. Non healer teams on the other hand become almost trivial, that's not to say that duel hunter LoS leech teams havn't given us grief.

Teams that require stupid amounts of time to get down are hunter/druid or warlock/druid teams, the later being near impossible if the lock is SL. Warrior/Druid teams generally win via attrition with MS, unless their druid lets you CC him too long to protect his warrior.

I don't see us climbing above the 1850 range, thus the addition of an MS warrior in the near future.

I suppose this is more relevant vs. Warrior+healer teams, but the reason the Voidwalker is killed is mainly to allow the Warrior to kill the lock, as this is not possible with Soul Link still active (assumptions are you have a decent healer).

The added bonus is it can give the opposing healer time to drink if needed.

Any thoughts on how to beat warlock/healer as Rogue/druid? We did sort of ok vs them before, mainly because they were retards and let us get their pets dead. But now, every last warlock will run behind a pillar when the voidwalker gets low and start summoning a new one. Of course, I could follow him there and stop it, but then I can't stop their healer from healing the old pet, making the entire thing useless in the first place.

ANY ideas here? I run around pillars like a retard, slowly but surely I will get drained for that milisecond I happen to be in the warlocks line of sight. (Yes yes, my rogue is on him, but he'll get a tick or two, and it's not like I can drink.)

Hi there , i started recently to play my 2000 bracket with a disc priest ( I'm rogue ) , its new for me because i was get used to play with a frost mage , however we managed to hit the 2100 rating but we run on 2 team who are really a pain to deal with...

First there are the famous war/druid which is nearly unbeatable for us , we win one time on a five-row because i have managed to caught the druid on travel-from while the warrior was to busy to deal with my teammate behind a pillar to notice the druid dying...

I think there are nothing we can really do with them , and I'm not here to discuss about it ^^

That's the second team which is really nerves me out.

Hunter/druid , the hunter is marksman's specced and i have two choice of focus ...

I can go on the hunter and prevent him to dps me while my teammate burn his mana , but with the druid keep him at full health and with viper aspect , my priest run out of mana quickly and on final the huntard maim him...

I can also go on the druid while my teammate hold the hunter a moment but on final with the druid mobility and the freezing trap + the hunter stun or slowing me i can't kill him ..

We also tried to kill the pet with a focus switch , but the druid heal him also dispelling my wound poison so we cant kill him nether...

I don't really see a way to kill them ... hope I miss something ^^

Any Idea ? ( and sorry for my english , i tried to do my best )

ch0c0, I'm playing both dpriest and druid, both above 1850 rating. Druid's worst nightmare is dispel bot priest. Your priest shouldn't allow your wounding to be dispelled. We've won games with my priest/rogue team vs druid/warr with me dispelling only and chasing the druid to mana burn/fear him. He runs oom much faster than I do. He will be forced to use Regrowth to heal which is inefficient mana wise. Dispeling Lifeblooms is a good thing to do, since you're making 1500-1600 heal (after healing debuff) to a 500 heal. Of course, there are smart teams our there, but this is the way to deal with most of the druid/warr teams. Remember that crippling > hamstring. Warrior shouldn't be able to reach your priest aside from the 15 sec Intercept. Coordinate your Blind/CS/Evasion on the Warrior so the priest can toss you GHeal.

Some friends wanted to start an arena group for the 2v2 that I thought was insane. Hunter/war. Both are way undergeared, mostlly blues a few epics (war has S1 sword and a few kara epics). I can see them beating some teams to due initial burst with Aimed/MS rapidfire burndown but any team that can survive that initial burst could probablly just slowly bring them down.

As a side note, on Minahonda PvPers are quite bad, so they might be able to maintaine a 1400-1500 with their gear. Im more in 5s, so if anyone could give any expectations as to how many games/week would lead to honor per week?

Thanks.

That is quite impressive. Our goals are much more modest, but now we have a shred of hope