Unfortunately swapping the Priest for a Rogue is not an option, he's my boyfriend and we love to play together. We are currently looking for a rogue to start playing 3s but until then we're playing 2s to get our points every week. We'll just have to realize that this is a group that if they have a brain will mostly likely beat us. We'll just work on focusing and getting the druid down.
Ty for your help

Read my post again...

We are having trouble with targeting and 'outlasting' on those setups.

You're giving zero specifics of what trouble your having other than "I don't know what the fuck I'm doing and neither does he". If you want specific advice, ask a specific question.

Give us examples of where things go wrong (i.e. you are having trouble doing X vs. team setup Y, what can we do to improve considering you are doing Z to achieve X) and conversely, what DOES work for you. Figuring out a playstyle that best fits you can be just as important as figuring out how to do whatever it is you need to do.

For example: I am an extremely aggressive player, sometimes to the point of fault. Thus, I roll with a shaman and demand that he prioritizes shocking/grounding/purging/kiting over self healing in situations where he has 60% or more HP. This opens me up to do what I do best: train squishies. This doesn't mean that I'm tunnel-visioning, but it does mean that I don't have to worry about CC chains, and in return, all my partner has to worry about is letting me know when he needs an intercept/hamstring/disarm combo so MS falls off and he can fullheal himself.

You may play differently, and thus require a different playstyle from your partner.

As for the timing issue, that is a communications/experience issue, play more games together and you'll both get better at it.

My team rating is crap (1333) , which I don't really care about since non of the gear I have been chasing/upgrading has required any sort of rating. With season 4 heading our way, and almost all the gear now having a rating requirement (or so I hear), I don't know what we can do to help ourselves.

I'm a 11/41/09 MM hunter using the default scorpid with the default scorpid sting.
My partner is a 0/21/40 destro lock. Re-speccing isn't really an option for him since he is primarily a raider and not a PvPer. I PvP primarily because between carreer, wife, 2 kids, certification courses, MBA courses, and life I don't have the time to sit in front of the computer for 2-4s at a time to raid. I have been thinking about speccing BM, but from what I have read, I don't have the gear for it, this is my PvP gear (if the armory has updated since my last gear change).. What can we do to boost our rating?
What can I do to boost our rating?

Well, are there any specific team compositions that give you trouble? Are there any you find easy? What's your typical strategy against these teams? In other words, what works and what does not? It's hard to answer this question without having more information.

Well, you could find a new partner to boost your rating.

Hunter/Destro Lock is not a very strong composition IMO. I'd guess you'd try to just burst someone down as quickly as possible. The problems I see are that (1) it's really easy to pillar hump both of you to avoid any sort of burst damage and (2) Destro locks are really really squishy, especially against melee. I'd imagine you've got to do your best to control your opponents long enough for your lock to live and kill someone.

21/40 destro lock doesn't make a strong partner for anyone in 2s (or any other bracket for that matter). You are completely immobile with only one instant DoT that has not been improved via talents or amp curse. To get the burst damage that people could fear out of destro locks you have to sacrifice your pet so you're either running with gimped damage or no pet dispell/spell lock... or even the weak additional CC of seduce. You can't tank any incoming damage because you have no Fel Concentration or Soul link (in other words CloS and fear immune warriors will eat you like an after dinner mint). The high crit and burst damage is mitigated by resilience. And you lack the extra get out of jail free button of Instant howl of terror as well as the snare of CoEx.

You're essentially running with a shadow mage without blink, polymorph, counterspell and iceblock, and praying that the other team leaves him alone long enough that he can put up CoS and two shot one of them with shadowbolts. Talk about swimming against the current. You have to really enjoy pain to even think about stepping into arena with that spec. I'm afraid you have three options. 1. get comfortable at your low rating 2. make him respec when he does arena (which is what most raiders do). 3. find a new partner.

If you're playing hunter/destro lock, you're not going to effectively OOM someone with viper before one or both of you dies. Just go BM and try to use fear/freezing trap/intimidation to CC someone and kill the other with beast within/rapid fire and turreted shadowbolts before you die.

I send my pet after the caster hoping that between purges/cleanses/any other self heals and my vipersting they will get oomed.

Again my concern with BM is that my gear is not the best for it from what I have read, though from what I have read, the 1 thing that I have been able to learn is that I don't know anything BM.

There's just simply no way anyone's going to live long enough to go OOM.

Why exactly do you play with this Warlock, do you owe him a favor or something? It doesn't seem to make much sense to play with someone who clearly has no interest in improving the team - he doesn't respec, and it looks like he doesn't have PvP gear (maybe he has more that isn't in his armory). Especially when Hunter/Warlock really isn't a very good combo, I must have missed why you don't just find someone more compatible to play with.

Well you gotta be fair not everyone plays arena just to get gladiator. Some people just want to play with their friends. I only really arena on my shaman (resto) and in twos I team with my best friend who's a hunter. Clearly I'd ideally want to be with a warrior and he a druid but he's not gonna reroll and I enjoy my shaman too much to do the same. He's also quite frankly a very bad hunter with glaring holes in his spec and no idea how to kite or manage his cooldowns. We hold at 1550 pretty much and I don't see it really getting significantly better so long as he can't jumpshoot, keyboard turns and still backs up instead of strafing or turning to run. But I won't get a new partner and I'll continue playing with him because he's been my best friend for 15 years and he'll never be on the same plane as me when it comes to pve content due to time constraints in his schedule. It's the one way we can play together. So I understand not just dumping a partner.

That being said... if that lock doesn't start respeccing he can just forget any hopes of a decent rating. You already are probably never going to see a weapon just based on your comp. But it would actually be tough to come up with a worse arena spec than 21/40 destro.

Your strategy for dual DPS is pretty sound. For healer/DPS you probably want to do something similar trying to cc the healer while focusing the DPS. The main thing is that you're going to have to do a lot of work to try to mitigate damage to your lock. Scatter shot, wing clip, etc. Whatever you can do to keep the DPS off of your lock is going to help.

That said, a warrior or rogue is going to dominate your lock very quickly. Between hamstring/crippling poison and intercept/shadowstep there's nothing either of you are going to be able to do to keep them off of him and he has absolutely no way to mitigate the damage. Especially since he has to stop and stand still for 2.5 seconds to get off a shadowbolt in order to deal any damage.

If you really want to try to make a team work with him he's going to have to respec. I don't know much about hunters, so I can't comment too much on MM vs. BM. Your lock is definitely going to have to respec though. SL/SL or Felguard could work, you may want to experiment with both. I'm thinking Felguard would be best, though. SL/SL has less damage output for slightly more survivability, but I don't think it would have the burst potential needed to be successful in this comp.

A Felguard lock + hunter should be able to put a lot of pressure on a single target. With a bit of CC on the healer or other DPS you should have a solid chance at killing a single target rather quickly.

The de facto Felguard arena spec is something like this: 6/44/11. Soul Link, Master Demonologist, and Demonic Resilience all offer the lock extra survivability. By spec'g instant corruption he's more mobile and shadowburn still leaves him with some burst potential.

In all honesty, at 1333 the only thing you should worry about is your play. I don't think it is very hard to walk into that bracket and 1v2 most teams because their coordination and reaction speed are both pretty horrible. Now that almost everyone has access to decent gear it isn't really a question of gear/setup/specs but more of tactics/communication/cc/reaction times.

The odds are stacked against you because of your comp, but honestly with sound tactics there is absolutely no reason to do much better. You need to figure out what plays to your teams strengths and do that. Just realize that any double DPS combo is not meant to out last but rather out play. You want to lock out one teammate completely while you destroy there other.

TaiDaisher, we're on the same server, and both alliance, I've been in your situation, I'm sure I can help you find a strategy that'll work for ya... oh one other thing, remember its just pvp... have fun w it and stop thinking...

A great example is my spec, it's fun as hell, but isn't the accepted mage spec for it *shrug*

@Jacktwok & @Kojax

Thank you for the advice and supporting thoughts. I do just have fun with it, though it can be frustrating at times.

I am having trouble against double dps or rogue/healer teams but still not sure if its comp or something we doing wrong. My partner is shaman, so rogues can lock him down, it doesnt seem like I can take down a disc priest or druid before they can kill my shaman. Similar with sheep since we have no dispel.

This is a question form a freind of mine. He used my account. He appreciates any help you give him .

My partner currentley is a pally, and i know its way harder with a pally then with a druid. But a hutner friend of mine went 2.1k with a pally 1 time, and i even watched a BM hutner and ret pally make 2.1k rating. Its extremely hard to not go LOS or run away because its not like he can hot me anr run, and when he gest cc'ed he cant shapeshift out. So hes gota be out in the open to heal me and if i go LOS i gota be quick to get OUT of los. My pet dies sometimes because he cant heal it.

Does anyone have any strategies or any kind of advice as to how to roll with a holy pally as a hunter easier? Anything at all to help us. Im speced 11/41/9 with a scorpid pet. Would bm be better/easier? We find ourselves struggling and we last a while, but then he goes oom. Is there anything he can do to make it eaiser on himself? Were only in the 1600's at the moment. Im pvped out and he almost is.

Help =(

Try sitting on the rogue to keep him off your shammy? Your shammy can drop poison cleansing totems and run away while you keep the rogue locked down. The priest will have to heal his ass off and run OOM waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before your shaman.

Collect points.

Against a druid its a bit trickier since they can CC you, but if you keep the rogue hamstrung and intercept him every now and then you should also win that matchup. You can't just tunnel vision one target, you have to use abilities like intervene and intercept for more than the obvious uses in order to help your shaman get free. Your shaman can can then earth shock and use grounding totems to stop CC as well.

My buddy is geared well, 4/5 veng, all pvped out. His pally may need some more resiliance. He finds it hard because its not like he can be hot'ed and then go los and get healed from the hots. He appreciates the help =). Do you think if he and the pally keep at it they will eventually get it?

Given my total lack of experience with either paladins or hunters, I'd play it as a MM hunter keeping pressure off the paladin. Paladins excel at standing still and healing something, so try to play to that strength. Similarly, hunters excel at standing still and dpsing a target (and CC and mana drain and tanking and more CC, but I digress), so if the dps is on the paladin, the hunter can just stand around blasting the hell out of it. If he's on the hunter, the paladin can just hang around and heal.

Beyond that it's hard to be terrible specific. I doubt you're going to beat lock/healer teams, other than gibbing the pet. Warrior teams will require rotating CC between warrior and healer to setup a kill.

It's impossible to answer that without knowing how good your friend and the pally are. Hunter/pally can work. He'll definitely want to be MM for Improved Stings and Aimed Shot, and the goal will be to keep Aimed Shot on the target, viper sting on the healer, and dps a bit while kiting and waiting for the sting to win. The pally needs to get good at using not just LoS to prevent CCs but range. As in, Enemies <---- 30-40 yards -----> Hunter <---- 30-40 yards ----> Paladin. If they're on the hunter, that is. The paladin needs to be able to heal mostly with FoL so that he doesn't run oom before the hunter drains the other team. If they're on the paladin, then the paladin needs to stay in LoS of the hunter so that he can just stand there and heal himself using straight FoL while the hunter goes through a full rotation of dps including aimed shot and punishes them for choosing the wrong target.

If the hunter is weak, no, it will not work, but that's going to be true of pretty much any comp. Can't really give any more specific advice without reference to a specific combo that's giving them trouble.

Your shaman should be able to easily solo a rogue. Sit on the priest to prevent him from coming over to heal the rogue and wait for him to make a break and burst him down. If you leave the priest free he'll probably really annoy your shaman, the rogue on the other hand should be a very minor threat to either of you.

As for sheep, your shaman just has to get really good at a combination of LOS and interrupts. Make sure he has a focus on the mage so he can see incoming polys. Ground or Shock as required.

Yo im here looking to ask some advice from any teams in the 2k+ rating that run holy paladin/warrior or just holy paladin in general for 2v2.

I run warrior/druid and I have multiple teams over 2k with my druid partner and were seeing a huge increase in pally warrior. This setup in general has been giving us a TON of trouble as justice+blessing of freedom makes it nearly impossible for my druid to get much time to do really anything.

I've tried different strategy's such as sitting on the warrior or sitting on the pally, hamstringing the warrior whenever freedom is gone and we've come close to but not beating some of the better pally/warrior teams.

I refuse to think its just a complete counter comp to our combo so I'm pretty sure we are just missing the link as to what were doing wrong.

Does anybody play or have played this combo and can tell me some good tips on what works the best? Also I've been told by a paladin friend that I should not pummel holy light and only flash of light as thats the fastest way to make them run out of mana (unless of course its to setup a kill). This does make some sense to me but as my friend isn't much of a PVPer id like to hear everyones opinion.