soverpowerd

IIRC the proc rate on crusader is long confirmed to be 1ppm, and the lionheart proc over long fights parsed with WWS has procced nearly the same amount of times as crusader (rarely very far apart over a long period) so it definitely seems to be 1ppm (or about once every 16-17 attacks).

 

Dots

It has been stated in this thread that sword spec procs still generate rage, they do no longer reset your swing timer (and for PvE they no longer glance). So what nerf are you talking about?

 

Ren

Have any of you tried using Dragonspine Trophy in arenas? How does it compare to something like the Bloodlust Brooch that everyone has?

 

Kardinalen

Been wondering on what enchant to take for my warrior alt who recently got his hands on Mooncleaver. I slapped savagery on it for the time being but I was thinking of getting Mongoose on it, if it really is worth it which is why I turn to you more seasoned PvPers in this thread. How much better is Mongoose?

 

Randor

I had Savagery on my Lunar Crescent but went to Mongoose on my Mooncleaver and am happy so far. Unbuffed, I have 1600 attack power so I'm not hurting that much and thought increased crit and the haste benefits might help more.
In battle stance, I sit atm at 32.16% crit so with some buffs and zerker stance and when it procs (and it does seem to proc often even on a 2hander), It's pretty easy to get 40% crit. My damage has indeed gone up since the patch but there's a number of reasons (glancing blows, some new gear, upgraded axe, improved stats on old gear).

So, I'd say if you have a decent amount of attack power and can deal with the loss of 70, Mongoose is a viable alternative.

Though for pure 2on2, 3on3, I'd go with Savagery then rely on a proc in shorter matches.

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Prim

How good can we expect the new gladiator two-handers will be? Comparable to T3 BS weapons or better/worse?

Reason I'm asking, is because I recently began leveling my blacksmithing, and now I wonder if I should just give that up, and use my saved up arena points for an easy-to-get weapon instead .

 

◊ Lord BEEF

Nobody really knows, but let's speculate!

Current gladiator weapons are ilvl 123, and Tier 2 blacksmithing weapons are 123.

Tier 3 weapons are 138.

If I were to guess, I'd say season 2 weapons would be around 130-138 in ilvl, so pretty close if not equal in item level.

That said, the gladiator weapons lack the stun proc or other bonus effects that weaponsmithing provides. I'd go weaponsmith if you're in a raiding guild and can get vortices.

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skallben

On to a completely different topic, Holy Paladins.
First off, my warrior is only 62 yet so things might change in time, MS spec and quite good gear. I've ran into a couple of Holydins and I find them as harsh as shadowpriests, maybe it's level imbalance but I want advice anyways...They simply just outlast me. Im trying the basic things - bandage during bubble, I fear BoP and I try to get to battle stance without losing out too much rage after popping berserk rage. This is 1v1 in world encounters, not BGs where they got both bubbles on CD - that's a completely different story.

 

• Symbul

As a non-tricked-out-70 Warrior you are going to lose to Paladins. That's just how it goes.

 

Randor

Pallies can be a pain but it is extra fun when you kill a BE pally.

There's no 1 way to do it, depends on how they are specced and solo, it's always a tossup. Basically, try to burn them down. Pummel, intercept charge, MS, PH and/or thunderclap, fear 'em. Rend even. Basically try to keep them close and burning mana.

Popping bloodrage, deathwish, trinkets and a mighty rage pot can also help.

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x1tiger1x

Wouldn't axe spec help balance out the crit loss from the rise in resilience? While you may be losing out on that amazing stun that mace spec and the DT offers, you still have the 6% crit (Mooncleaver has a lot of crit on it over the DT). I am undecided what to upgrade for my warrior at the moment. I see a few top arena teams have switched to a DT though, that were previously using a Mooncleaver.

 

Zarick

I noticed that change too.

Resilience also reduces the amount of damage you take from crits. I still think the extra crit from axe spec and the stats on the axes is still good though but it does lose some power against high resilience targets.

I'm guessing that some of these top teams are able to keep a decent amount of crit without the blacksmithing axe and axe specialization, especially now that they have a lot of arena gear. The mace stun is nice and works well in 2v2 and 3v3 and I'm guessing alot of them are doing 2v2 and 3v3 also. I think they can afford to give up the crit power of the axe to gain the stun utility of maces.

 

◊ Shadowed

You can reach 28-29% crit without any raid gear or axe specialization along with good STA/Resilience.

 

Prim

Speaking of blacksmithing weapons - what do you think will happen to our precious blacksmithing weapons once people start running Hyjal/Black Temple and get superior weapons. Will they add T4 BS weapons?

 

Randor

Twin Blades of the Phoenix was the leet 2hander on the recent PTR but it was in the neighborhood of the T3 weapons so I'd say probably not for a good while. Once the Arena2 specs come out, we'll have a better idea of where weaponry lies.

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◊ Shadowed

I'd assume they'll be worse then T3, but not by much.

 

XI-

At least some of them will be significantly better than T3 BSing weapons

 

Prim

Yep, they have to add T4 bs weapons once people start raiding BT/Hyjal, or else blacksmithing will be obsolete in a couple of weeks. A new tier of nethers/vortexes dropping off Hyjal/BT trash would make most sense I guess.

 

Grailyn

That is better but I'm not sure it's significantly better, or at least not significant enough to warrant new T4 BS/Arena gear so quickly.

 

Hoonboof

I'm kind of interested in this too, the only times I've ever beaten Holy pallies is when I was specced prot, you might have better luck with your tanking gear on. Retadins are a joke though.

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• diospadre

Low content post, but anyone want to critique my setup? I'm holding off on buying honor boots/belt until the patch, but was wondering if I'm missing anything obvious or something like that. Also I normally run with a Medallion of the Horde in place of the hourglass. Sadly I am logged out in berserker stance, so the crit % is up 3 from that.

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◊ Shadowed

I'd rather just go for crit over the hybrid crit/str gems along with 15 AGI gloves, why are you using Medallion + Bladefist instead of Medallion + Hourglass though rather clicky over proc?

 

Tasan

I crafted my DT 5 days ago, and switched from pole/axe to mace spec after a LONG time.

We mainly play 3-3 ( around 2k rating with priest/pala/warr -usually at least - ) and play 5-5 very casualy on a rating fluctuating from 1700-1950 at best.

On 3-3 I do notice that I am missing 4% crit BUT tbh the stun-lock procs imo up to now make up for it. It is nice to crit like a mad man, but the stuns that ARE often are a completly different ball game.
At the moment I am on 37.xx crit in Battle stance, but I still need 2-3 upgrades crit wise that will push it on the north side of 29% in battle.

Not to mention the extra HP that are always wellcome.

In 5-5 I do not notice the proc SO much since there is always someone else healing as well, or because it is crowded and I believe 1 stun does not do THAT much.

In 2-2 and 3-3 the mace is king for me atm, looking forward for T3 that is inc soon.

I am also debating about the current enchant.

I decided to mongoose it so I try it, but I am not over the top yet with it.
I like the 3.x% more crit when it procs, but on the long run maybe the passive 35 agi or 70 AP would be better.
Need to test bit further, but I am not very satisfied atm.

 

Tasan

Diospadre,

I would probably go for the 12 crit meta gem but this is personal preference.

Also, I was wearing your belt/boots, but the Marshals are flat out upgrades even if you lose some AP, alot of stam in them and pure crit.
You will gain around 1.5% crit with these two.

Just my 2c.

 

Ory

Diospadre,

I agree with the crit & snare resist meta gem choice Tasan likes, and the General's belt/boots would be relatively easily obtainable upgrades, with Boar's Speed on the boots. If you can get Bloodlust Brooch, that would be an improvement over Bladefist's Breadth. I assume you don't have the T4 dps legs or Gladiator's. Saberclaw Talisman is a good neck slot item if you can get that, too.

I picked up a Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer for a hefty stam boost, which as a ranged weapon allows for more flexibility in changing up your survivability/dps balance for different situations than gems/enchants would. That's more useful if you take 2v2 and 5v5 seriously, since in 2v2 you'll find that you're the one taking focus fire more frequently. In 5v5, I'd focus a little more on dps in terms of socketing choices (which is probably easier to do with the crit meta gem).

Improved Demo Shout is something to consider getting instead of Booming Voice, depending on whether or not you tend to have difficulty with melee dps teams. Tactical Mastery is nice, but not always as useful when going against caster teams where your targets won't dodge as much. These choices are dependent on which team compositions you want to strengthen your repertoire against, what team composition you run with, etc.