Morsexy

uh. Reflect is not on the GCD.

 

whysoez

Correct. The swap to D stance is.

 

Morsexy

so your previous statement isn't correct.

I guess if you meant to say that the GCD invoked from your ability previous to your macro then I agree, but it is not the switch that costs you.

Its the MS\Intercept\Hamstring etc that makes it impossible.

 

whysoez

K you're right, I just tested it. Perhaps it's just lag? I always assumed it was the GCD because I can never reflect quick casts in arenas either. It takes about .5 seconds to swap to D, bust sword/board and pop reflect (using a macro). Need quicker reflexes!

 

Seife

No, it isn't. The ability global cooldown (1.5 sec) and the stance cooldown (1 sec) are independent. Also, you can equip a shield anytime, totally independent from all cooldowns. Doing so will trigger the ability global cooldown, which was a big problem when spell reflect was introduced because back then, spell reflect was affected by the ability global cooldown.

Fortunately, this got changed. So as I said earlier, if your macro works, you can spell reflect 1.5 sec casts from any stance with any weapon.

 

ohcrocsle

I have experienced some lag between when I hit a macro to equip shield and change stances and when the game recognizes that the requirements to cast reflect (stance/shield) are met. In my experience, that delay is usually less than 500ms, allowing spell reflection of quick casts. Depending on your latency to the arena servers, this probably varies.

 

Dissection

I was wondering what spec most warriors who 2v2 with a resto shaman used.
Currently I'm using a slightly more sirvival based spec with points into Blood Craze and Tactical Mastery for quick shield reflects. I've been running into druid/warrior teams and been having trouble bursting them down. Any good suggestions from highly rated Warrior/Shaman teams would be much appreciated.

 

Mongerthod

I had 2270 in 2s last season running resto shaman/warrior with 35/23/3 as my spec. You can drop blood craze for more points in commanding presence for some added AP. In my experience its best to have your shaman play extremely aggressive using max rank shocks and throwing in a LB/CL to help with the kill. You're not really losing too much on the mana war because every time you force the druid to shift to bear he is using nearly as much mana as your shaman is using from throwing max rank shocks. Also having your shaman stay as close as possible to the druid is a must in order to help prevent feral charges that can sometimes allow the druid to escape. Having your shaman try and purge nature's grasp is a huge plus and can win you games when you don't have to trinket the roots. You can tell when a druid pops it by the little MotW symbol that flashes over their head when they cast the spell. A great video to watch would be Ohana's 2v2 tutorial part 2 and 3 which can be found at warcraftmovies.com. This video is mainly directed at how to play a resto shaman in pvp, but it also contains some great information that warriors who run with resto shamans can use on their teams.(specifically how to fight war/druid comps)

Are you mace spec for arena? If not you might want to try going maces as catching a stun on a druid while hes in caster form can be GG most of the time. Keeping those points in TM is a must. Having the flexibility to disarm or spell reflect wins games.(especially vs mages/druids and hunter traps)
Dropping 3 points in 2 hand weapon mastery will allow you to pick up improved hamstring which is also amazing vs druids or any other class for that matter.

Hope this helps

 

Malakitoo

My warrior in 2v2 is zerg-it-down 33/28 spec. From our experience, unless you're really using TM to disarm whenever it's up, insta-reflect cyclones, etc, it's really not worth it. It's more of a playstyle thing than anything else, we try to keep high pressure on as much as possible and only go defensive when we really need to, so flurry was more worthwhile.

Druid warrior at a high level is mostly about good target swapping. You basically need to be doing damage always, to whatever is available at the time. If the druid is available in caster, swap to him. At the very least he'll have to burn mana shifting away, and if you get lucky you can probably put some hurt on him.

A druid should only really have 2 escapes from you: nature's grasp and bash. Try to call out bash and see if your shaman can get a grounding/shock on it (he should be watching anyway). Trinket nature's grasp. Don't let the druid get away without using a cooldown if you can help it.

The other way the druid/war can play it is to have their warrior peel you the whole time. That's fine. If you can swap druid and their warrior follows you, your shaman is sitting alone on the other side of the map free to drink. You have WF so you should outdamage their war, plus you're on the druid from time to time, which does more damage and forces the druid to burn mana to escape.

The key in this matchup is to try to pressure them all the time. Force the druid away, and if he gets away, get back on that warrior, then swap to the druid again when he comes back to heal. If their warrior is defensive and peeling, your shaman can drink etc. If not, you should be putting out some good damage on the druid, and hopefully getting some help via purges/groundings/shocks from your shaman.

 

RootBreaker

nevermind

 

• Elendril

Shock...bash?

 

Mearis

I am guessing he is referring to shocking the cyclone when you are bashed.

Also, cyclone is a 10 second cooldown and a 4 second lockout, unless you are pro at timing your mace stuns, how do you plan to stop cyclones/roots after cyclone is used?

Sorry but I really can't take this kind of shit seriously when it's coming from the guild that thinks drawing swastikas with chain heal and relentlessly abusing someone whose only 'crime' is that he takes himself a bit too seriously is the height of humour.

 

Grizlor

I assume you mean pummel, but between grounding, earth shock, and pummel a druid should realistically only be able to get one CC spell off every 15 seconds, and if he's just standing there all that time trying to CC you, he's probably dead. If he does get a root off, you can tab to the warrior and fear him, thus CCing the druid (and possibly forcing a trinket)

 

Lithose

The hard part about war/shaman vs war/druid is mana. Sitting on their warrior will draw the druid back, yes, but its also going to burn the crap out of your shaman's mana as he tries to keep up with a full rage/enraged warrior beating on him.

 

Moriantum

In regards to this macro:

#showtooltip Spell Reflection
/cast [stance:1/2,equipped:Shields] Spell Reflection; [stance:3] Defensive Stance
/stopmacro [equipped: Shields]
/equip YOUR SHIELD
/equip YOUR 1H

I would like to change it to put me in Battle Stance when I spell reflect instead of defensive. I tried changing it to this:

#showtooltip Spell Reflection
/cast [stance:1/2,equipped:Shields] Spell Reflection; [stance:1 Battle Stance
/stopmacro [equipped: Shields]
/equip YOUR SHIELD
/equip YOUR 1H

But that didn't seem to work. Second question is would it be possible to add a line to immediately re-equip my 2H weapon and put me into berserker stance? Right now I'm manually re-equiping my 2h after I SR and its rather annoying and slow.

 

Malakitoo

This is true, but it's the price you have to pay. The other option is to try to chase down a pillar hugging druid, which generally leads to the warrior just getting kited the whole time. If it's on ruins, you can eventually catch back up to the druid, but on nagrand or BEM you're stuck.

And yeah, I meant shock/ground the roots/cyclone that usually follows a bash.

 

TheCutlery

You didn't change it correctly. You need to change this line

to this

I changed mine to do it too, since I lose the presence of mind to notice which stance I'm in and try to hamstring to very little avail. It works perfectly.

 

Tilted

You'll need a second macro to do this. All of the /equip lines in a macro attempt to run at once, so you cannot switch to sword n' board then back to 2h in the same macro.

 

Feeble

What I do to get around this... and I'm not even sure if I should do this or something else...

My Battle stance and Zerker stance are both macros that read:

/Equip 2h Weapon
/cast Battle

/equip 2h weapon
/cast zerker

Thus, when ever I need to get back to my 2h I just hit those buttons. That's the best workaround I've found for it.

Also in regards to the spell reflecting...

I can't get it to work fast enough - binding it to my mousewheel really helped a lot, but if I slam a hamstring on someone as a druid starts casting Cyclone, I almost cannot get the reflect off... Should I keep practicing with this? or is this correct.

 

Zorac

Well I had the same issue for a time feeble. I just kept practising until I managed to not spam hamstring when I knew that a cyclone/entangle was likely incoming. Worked for me in the end anyway and I think I became a better player because of it, if you cant react fast enough and use hamstring if he decides to start running instead of casting well then you either lag alot and would never be able to get the reflect off or you need better reflexes :P

 

Tilted

Bolded emphasis is mine. The 1.5s global cooldown will wreak havoc on you if you constantly spam. Let's take Polymorph for example, a spell that you most certainly want to reflect whenever it comes your way. Alone, it's a 1.5s cast, but with the 4-pc mage gladiator set bonus along with some haste gear, 1.3s casts aren't uncommon, and with Bloodlust/Heroism or Icy Veins, it's entirely possible for the GCD to eliminate any chance you might even have at a reflect. But if you learn how mages typically set up a poly, all you have to do is have your finger hovering above your macro and it becomes much easier.

PS - Equip your shield early and it's a dead giveaway that you want to use Spell Reflection.

 

Zelmourn

I was testing my spell reflect macro some last night as it never seems to be as snappy as I'd want it to be. I use the macro that's posted on arena junkies.

In my case, there seems to be some delay between hitting the macro, which initially switches to sword/board if they're not equipped, and the game actually registering the fact that I made the change. Unfortunately, it's not instant, and hitting the macro before the switch is registered does absolutely nothing. My best guess is it's because of lag. Whatever it is, it's really annoying and pretty much eliminates the possibility of spell reflecting something unless I anticipate it and equip my sword/board beforehand. :/

 

Zorac

Yeah indeed, its more about practise and learning the arena game than its about the perfect macro as some seems to think here. Its quite easy to reflect stuff if you know when its incoming. When I was active in pvp in s3, I could usually tell what was coming my way just by looking around me and seeing where they were positioned. And im pretty sure that after they nerfed the druids abit (shorter cyclone range) its easier to see when they move in for it.

 

Seife

Please, inform yourself before you post false or misleading information regarding spell reflect. The global cooldown does not affect spell reflect, so why is it brought up again and again? Hamstringing someone does not affect your ability to spell reflect a cast, this may only be true for pummeling a cast (by the way, pummel will be taken off the global cooldown as well when WotLK hits) but not for *spell reflecting* it!

For illustration, I made a video showing how I am able to spell reflect a 1.5 second cast despite being under the global cooldown:

http://www.leechme2.de/spellreflect.avi