Leleth

In the case some ppl do not know. You can restealth after being out of combat for 5.5 seconds.

This is usualy done by rogue in combination with blind or gouge (talented).
I always get the restealth off on my rogue.
It also works fine on my druid if I use a 5 CP maim.

But I simply do not get it to work on my druid in combination with cyclone. Cyclone is a 6 seconds CC, so it should be poosible, but the paladin always got a HoJ off before the restealth.

Does somebody know why it does not work. I even tried a "stopattack" macro without success.

 

◊ Kalman

(guessing here, but

You can't cyclone in catform. So you're in caster, you cast Cyclone, T=0.

Global cooldown. T=1.5

Catform shift. The catform shift is an in-combat action, and it occurs 1.5 seconds after Cyclone. Cyclone ends at T=6, 4.5 seconds after catforming; inadequate time to restealth.

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Mearis

Cyclone is 1.5 second cast - you should be able to shift right after the cast I think.

 

◊ Kalman

True.

I still think it's related to catform retriggering the 5 second rule, though.

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Cel

Can wait till after the the combat expires to go catform, I'd assume.

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◊ Kalman

If you wait for combat expiration to cat up, then the GCD cat triggers will stick stealth at 6.5, well after the cyclone drops.

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Cel

Ahh, I didn't know shifting threw a global. Even so, .5 seconds to stop the druid getting in to stealth, assuming average lag even, is probably difficult. (Cyclone = 6 seconds?)

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◊ Kalman

It's enough to screw up rogues on gouge->restealth; if you button-mash, .5 seconds is plenty.

(I assume shifting throws a global, and thott backs me up on that.)

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Zephro

I'm not sure. You can shift to cat and then stealth immediately while out and about in the world. I'm not sure shifting counts as a combat maneuver.

 

Cel

Not saying shifting puts you in combat, he's saying it keeps you in combat. I'm not positive on this either, but I have no evidence to back a claim that it doesn't, so I didn't mention it.

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◊ Kalman

It doesn't put you in combat, but does it keep you in combat if you're already in combat? PvP in-combat mechanics are weird.

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• Quickshot

If it's working like rogue, you have a 10 seconds cooldown after un-stealthing (spelling ?) where you can't stealth again even if you're not in combat.
There is however a rogue talent that reduces this cooldown but I don't know for druids if there is something similar.

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• Zyla

Its an issue with shifting and furor. Its the old bug back again that pops up from time to time. You shift and you're stuck in combat indefinitely until you shift again or to another form. Also, there's a 1 sec GCD on shifting.

 

Cel

I think the idea is after combat has gone on for some time you could Bash > Cyclone > Run and Restealth

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Ultramagnetic

Wasn't an exception made for cat form -> prowl at some point as far as GCD goes? I remember reading a while ago that developers wanted people to be able to shift and immediately stealth and made a specific change just to prowl so it wouldn't be affected by the cat form shift GCD. I'll have to test it on my druid.

Until then I'm inclined to agree with Zyla that it's the frustrating Furor bug that puts you in combat when you gain energy or rage from shifting. Druids without that talent wouldn't be put in combat because they gain no energy or rage from shifting.

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drole

It works fine for me, if the problem is solely related to HoJ simply outrange it.

Ranging generally works well, especially in conjunction either los'ing and/or running behind the target, witch helps alot on its own too

 

Ultramagnetic

It should be noted that you can HOJ behind the back. Range was my first thought too though.

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Shade

You're NE as well. Have you tried using shadowmeld?

 

CasT

This is the truth. Shifting causes a GCD, but not on Prowl.

But what I don't get is why GCD would have anything to do with stealth timer? Is GCD counted as in combat time? Cause otherwise that time would not matter.

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hkdigital

Shifting into cat form indeed re-initiates the 5 second rule if you are already in combat - therefore I can only see one option for a cyclone-restealth sequence, and it only works if you are a NE druid.

After cyclone (run a short distance away in druid form if you feel it's necessary), spam Shadowmeld when the combat flag is about to drop. Once SMed, shift into cat, and spam Prowl. Shifting into cat form in fact removes you from SM, but you can enter Prowl almost immediately. I would think "reappearance lag" will save you from being detected during the shift > prowl.

See how that works for you. Seemed to work for me.

 

Tyrnall

If you get the shift off as soon as you toss the cyclone out, you can do it (assuming you aren't running laggy). The other option, is to cyclone and move behind the target an stay in caster form. Combat will drop ~5 seconds later, which gives you a 1 second gap to go cat form and start mashing prowl. I'm *fairly* certain that the shifting cooldown and the GCD for skills are not together, but even still, a turn-around time of less than .5 seconds is very impressive.

Obviously as you do it more often, you'll be able to work a little finesse into it, but I have no troubles executing it, so it's definitely doable.

 

kaytwo

The classic NE rogue 'workaround' to 10 second restealth cooldown is to shadowmeld as soon as combat drops, then restealth as soon as the stealth cd is up. If you simply can't get into catform and then prowl fast enough, maybe strafing out of consecrate range, shadowmelding, and then shift+prowl once you know he doesn't have you targeted, perhaps even during his gcd from the (possibly, dunno how pro this guy is) inevitable consecrate? Sorry, that's all I've got.

 

Kazanir

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread about shifting and the GCD.

1) Shifting into a druid form DOES cause a 1s global cooldown (might be 1.5s for moonkin/tree.)

2) This 1 second GCD does NOT affect Prowl, which can be activated immediately upon entering cat form.

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