Trying to "fix" Av - Page 11

Nurru · 10/02/07, 9:38 AM

Originally Posted by Bustadawg

No, I'm afraid you didn't. I think you need to wake up (not sure what time zone you are in, maybe one where it's 5 am?) and realize what I said is not QQ'ing or complaining, or whining, or whatever you may think it is that would make you call it a WoW forum type of reply. Might as well go up and down this thread and flag various other people for simply stating their opinion on things.

Your avatar has Chuck Norris and your last reply included this gem:

which is made obvious now) the Alliance goes running to mommy (Blizzard) for tissues.

Clearly you're being oppressed for stating your opinion.

nfw · 10/02/07, 9:47 AM

Fixing AV is simple, just make the place smaller, so that both sides have to run right into each other at Snowfall and the subsequent graveyards.

Nurru · 10/02/07, 9:50 AM

It would be interesting if graveyards had to connect to be captured. Ie: To take stormpike you needed stonehearth, to take iceblood as alliance you'd need snowfall, etc. It would likely increase the length of games significantly though.

Bustadawg · 10/02/07, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by Nurru

Your avatar has Chuck Norris

Hey! What's wrong with a Chuck Norris Magic card?? And I guess I'll try being a little less autonomous on here since that's what seems to get you flagged

Cwealm · 10/02/07, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Bustadawg

Hey! What's wrong with a Chuck Norris Magic card?? And I guess I'll try being a little less autonomous on here since that's what seems to get you flagged

What caught my eye was you being a jackass while adding nothing to the discussion. Not the avatar.

As a side note, I am not sure how discussing things on these forums constitutes running to 'mommy,' but, then again, I am not a Chuck Norris fan.

Bustadawg · 10/02/07, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Cwealm

What caught my eye was you being a jackass while adding nothing to the discussion. Not the avatar.

As a side note, I am not sure how discussing things on these forums constitutes running to 'mommy,' but, then again, I am not a Chuck Norris fan.

I wasn't referring to anything anyone said on this particular forum when I said "running to mommy." Someone posted a link to a thread on the WoW forums titled "if Horde winning every BG is acceptable" That is what I was referring to with my reply.

Goggles · 10/02/07, 10:12 AM

That explanation doesn't make your reply any more acceptable or useful.

Bustadawg · 10/02/07, 10:33 AM

So much Chuck Norris hate! Not a big fan of him either, but find his many references comical nonetheless. Anyways, yes, I was not adding anything constructive to the thread (sorry!), but like I pointed out I was simply stating my opinion on the WoW forums topic that was linked. Next time I'll try to add something of value to the thread instead of just posting my opinion that I'm normally entitled to.

psk · 10/02/07, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Acustar

The only thing I've really noticed, other than the lack of AFK tunnel people (thank you for this) is horde are pulling off the "creative pull" on Van about twice as fast as they used to, resulting in anywhere from 12-15 minute wins for them.

If everything goes well, I'm getting 12 min AV with killing all marshals, which are present at that time. With solo-pull you can get below 10 min, I guess.

Originally Posted by sadris

Horde cannot solo-pull Vandarr unless the only 2 marshalls are on the far ends of the room. Its the same strategy, pull, go evade bug the marshalls/warmasters, tank the boss behind the wall.

They can. It won't always work, but if you wound that non-elite guy in his room, most of the time he'll come near Van, and pull him. Alone.

Bustadawg · 10/02/07, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by psk

If everything goes well, I'm getting 12 min AV with killing all marshals, which are present at that time. With solo-pull you can get below 10 min, I guess.

Same here. Usually getting 12-15 min AVs if everyone's on point; and to be honest, I have not been in any post 2.2 AVs using the Vann exploit people are talking about. I've actually never been in an AV with a Vann exploit that I know of and I've done about 150+ AVs. Maybe it's a known exploit in some battle-groups and not others? *shrug*

Pherion · 10/02/07, 12:59 PM

It's ashame that Alterac Valley has become the PvE race it has become (race to kill an NPC, yay!). Hopefully 2.3 has some promising fixes to bring to the table, Imo the anti-afk has worked pretty well, all the AV's i've been in this weekend there was maybe one person in the cave. It really is nice to see everyone playing again atleast.

Ozzmar · 10/02/07, 2:27 PM

Well, that's all AV is essentially: a PvE race. The only difference is that you can go screw with the opposing faction as often as you'd like to try to slow them down.

Like it or not, every Battleground could be completed with virtually no PvP if all the players chose to do so. Forcing them into it isn't going to "fix" anything, especially when the majority of what people are complaining about is how often one faction wins as opposed to the other.

And by the way, AVs isn't possessive - it doesn't need an apostrophe.

Symbul · 10/02/07, 9:48 PM

It would be interesting if graveyards had to connect to be captured. Ie: To take stormpike you needed stonehearth, to take iceblood as alliance you'd need snowfall, etc. It would likely increase the length of games significantly though

I'd just like to point out that no, it wouldn't. This is how it used to be played back when it was a 35hr shit zergfest. It's not interesting.

air · 10/02/07, 11:35 PM

Any attempt to inject PvP back into AV has to address the fact that it's 40 on 40- to some extent, kind of like now with offense/defense/tower hijinks the forces have to be divided up somewhat.

Before cross server BGs were implemented I had never seen what the horde side of AV looked like, though. Quite a shock.

Drekk's room vs Van's room is such a huge contrast which exceeds the time needed to kill the NPCs in the stormpike village. The bridge could be used effectively as a defensive structure but it is not commonly done in my experience, as the healers stick more commonly to offense (And rightfully so.)

Yes · 10/03/07, 12:07 AM

I disagree with anyone that says AV should change to involve actual PvP unless it is forced to be organized or will yield more honor per hour then current AVs.

I am personally not interested in having to AOE bomb horde four hours with no reward. Competetive and interesting PvP with pugs does not work (Unless they all happen to be gladiators, and the last time I zoned in with another gladiator to AV was when I asked my friends to queue).

Average pugs are idiots. I am being an ass but on average there will be one other excellent player per AV, five people that are more or so doing their job and the rest are likely running around in circles wearing greens! You simply can not have fun with players in green gear with no concept of efficient gameplay unless you are that player in green gear (And I doubt many people on this board are).

Currently it gives the best solo player honor per hour. Honestly -- if a way to make honor was invented that gave more honor per hour then AV and involved having to hit your spacebar repeatedly I'd do it --- and so would anyone looking for honor. After novelty fun has worn off the lure is honor only.