Zerakor

I think that the s2 items will cost more arena points, considering that teams hovering around 2000 rating or more will have their full set plus 5000 points to buy new pieces for.
Allowing the active players to reap the rewards before the season actually starts makes no sense, and kind of removes the incentive they have to play.


I am hoping for an upgrade system though, or at least a discount for those who purchased season one gear.

 

Keline

There simply need to be more items, not just a 5 piece set and a weapon. That way only the top 5 5on5 teams would have more points than they could spend.

 

MeCh

Should put in Arena point consumables for arenas.

 

◊ Vontre

Not everyone plays from season start to finish -_-

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CasT

And not everyone enjoy PvE. Yet the best PvE players can pickup high quality pieces to every slot, where the best PvPer will not see trinkets, rings and necks of epic quality. Will not see any useful healing stuff.

Do not matter how much you play, you will never get the carrot.

 

◊ blindworld

The amount of developing time put in to creating the PVE game far outnumbers that put into the PVP game. Blizzard already stated they didn't want to make every slot available through PVP only as it would devalue the PVE game that they put so much effort into. Also, there are 2 ilvl 113 epic PVP necks available through honor points, leaving only trinkets and rings. With the darkmoon cards there are now new casual epic trinkets, and 1 epic ring is at least simple to get through karazhan rep. You still won't be as well geared as those who are raiding end game and collecting the full arena sets, but is there a legitimate reason why you should be?

 

Brissa

Cant or wont are different things. Now I cant speak for this player but personally I consider myself a reasonably good player but my arena team has a sub 1500 5v5 rating. This is because I prioritize pve over pvp and I play in a team with 2 of the guilds maintanks and we take arena very lightly.
But I still come here because I am very interested in theorycrafting, regardless of if its in a pve or pvp situation.

Now because of my low rating I wouldnt presume to speak with any authority about core issues in arenas. I do however still think that my low rating doesnt disqualify me from having an oppinion on the surrounding issues that you dont need to be a top player to be affected by.

 

Maynard

I'm merely speculating what I think will happen, out of interest or boredom more than anything else. Alternate answer: I care because I care about the players <3

I do play a few matches, but across both of my characters I'm in five different teams each with different people. In most teams my partners mostly PvE and just PvP on the side, so if my rating is low it's probably because I'm playing with friends who don't take the PvP game that seriously. My 2v2 with my Druid + Rogue friend is my only serious team, but even he is PvE specced and I think 1600 is good considering our gear level (I was 50% cloth until this week). I also have been PvEing more lately, saving for my epic and raiding, which has prevented BGs so my non-set pieces are lacking too.

Edit: Yeah, basically reasons similar to Brissa. :P

I think we can agree it's a balance of barriers to entry, but the potential to excel as well. My druid was able to get in to a Gruul-killing guild by virtue of class needs, development of the raid game, reputation, and skill (to a lesser extent >_>). By the same token, most players will never be in Elitist Jerks or Frostmourne's SSC farming guild (Iron Chefs) no matter how hard they try.

I don't feel the issue is so much with my pricing system as with the lack of content/items that allow a player to pre-emptively "gear up" for Arena. I'm sure my system would be far more viable if a dedicated, but late-blooming PvPer was able to farm world pvp, honour, and craftable items to enter arena with +200 resilience off the bat.

 

Keline

Do you understand how much longer it takes to get the full honor equipment when you're not an AV sniper? =P

Having to "gear up" for the arena by doing honor grinding for weeks is not an acceptable solution.

 

Maynard

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Keline

dedication = grinding until your face falls off?

 

XI-

If you want to PvP how would PvPing for gear through BG's be any different than raid gearing by running level 70 instances?

 

Keline

You'd be done after a week in level 70 instances while already attending farm status raids for even better upgrades. It takes far more time to get a full suit of honor gear and you could not participate in arena matches while you're building up equipment.

It's also incredibly boring and repetative to play BGs. Usually I'm dieing of boredom after 4-5 matches.

 

◊ Double-Neg

You're gaurented to actually get the item you want! (wtf firefox won't fix the second word that I apparently can't spell)

Not on IRC?

 

Grailyn

If your even remotely serious about your pvp you can farm enough honor for every decent honor reward in about 3 to 4 weeks. Half of that if your super hardcore.

Guaranteed drops with a fun and easy grind. Sounds good to me.

FYI I've seen people pull 15k+ in a single day. A bit extreme but it's pretty routine to get 3-5k a night just solo Queuing AV or whatever weekend it is for 3 or 4 hours; hardly hardcore.

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Drully

Speaking of honor, i really wonder what kind of new honor items will be introduced. I just finished my grined for honor items, and I would not be amused if they put in a whole new s2 honor set...
I hope they will add some healing gear, if they upgrade everything again...

Concerning the arena point costs for s2 gear, I do not think that we will see a great change. May be costs will be up a little, but a upgrade system, where you have to have s1 gear, to get s2, or even a major discount, for having s1 gear, would give well equiped pvpers a huge head start. And even if you solve that, it would be against blizzes intrest. They want players to play, and to keep them gaming, they need a goal, which is for pvpers to get full s2 gear.
So things will stay the same, with a 2k rating, you will have full s2 gear, at the end of the season.

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◊ Lord BEEF

My prediction is for arena items they'll have season 1 gear still available, possibly at a reduced cost so they people finishing out their 4 piece bonus can still do so (or so classes with a crappy 4 piece bonus can get two pieces from each season for an additional 35 resilience set bonus).

Hopefully we'll see a healing offhand from arena points, new trinkets of some sort would be cool too.

For honor rewards I'm not sure if they'll increase the item levels on the stuff, as it's already 113-123 as it is. If they bumped that up to 130 or so I'd be surprised.

I do expect them to add healing gear for shamans, priests, and paladins from honor rewards though. Only druids have it currently.

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◊ Sarutobi

Change that to AV tokens and that's exactly how I feel...

 

Aphyrax

I just hope they announce the rewards soon or at least tell us that the patch comes out for sure in 2 weeks (not this "or later" business). I am sitting on 3 pieces and a bunch of arena points. I really want the 4 piece bonus but I don't want to be bitten in the rear end when the patch comes.

I also don't think that they should or will bump the ilvl of the currently available honor item slots. Rather they should round out the set (EDIT for clarification: I mean the same as Beef does - new honor items to fill the slots you currently cannot fill from PvP; not the arena set having more than 5 pieces). For those who disagree that you should be able to gear yourself out fully from PvP alone - why does it devalue PvE? If I am not interested in endgame PvE, all it does is limit my potential for PvP advancement. And it also undermines WoWs credibility as a competitive PvP game.

 

Shadowed

I doubt you'll get an exact date until a couple of days before it, usually we don't get told when content patchs are coming until 2-4 days before it's actually going to happen.

The reason we only have 5 piece sets is likely related to the same reason that the PvE sets are also only 5 pieces, I think what Lord BEEF meant was they'll interduce new items not upgrade the current ones.

 

Bibdy

The only reason I can think of why they didn't add level 70 epic PVP healing items into the game with 2.1 is because they knew season 2 would start soon and they'd have a lot of pissed off healers on their hands who would have just spent a bunch of honour on them, only to be near-obsolete shortly after.

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Calantus

This only applies to my faction and battlegroup, and they're not exact because I haven't touched a BG for about 2 weeks.

AV is 300-500 bonus honor for 30 minutes of work on a 30 minute queue. If on defence I can earn 100-200 honor in HKs during that game. For the other 30 minutes I find that EoTS and AB are roughly the same honor/minute. In a 15-20 minute game I'd get 80 honor for a loss, 140 for a win. During the game I'd get around 100-200 honor if I didn't defend. Lets assume I get 1 AV and 2 EoTS/AB games every hour I'm looking at ~1000 honor an hour. To get a full set of honor gear (5-set, offset epics, cloak, ring, neck, weapon(s), 2 trinket) requires 251820 honor. Which is ~250 hours. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide if that's too much or too little.

Personally I'm burnt out of running BGs all the time so will instead simply catass every AV weekend for 50k+ honor and not have to worry about the others except for tokens.

 

diotox

I'm quite interested in what they are going to add in terms of honor gear. I think it's a rather safe bet we'll be seeing healing gear, but what about other options? An epic version of the 5 piece class sets? Upgraded epics of the non-set items? An epic ring over ring of triumph? I just got my alt to 70 and he has terrible gear, I've been grinding honor but I'd hate to blow all my honor if they are actually going to put in better stuff. At the moment I tend to think they are just going to be adding healing gear, but who knows.

Oh, and if honor grinding isn't your thing, hop into AV, go guard a tower or bunker that is in the process of being destroyed and crack open a good book. When the bunker blows up, move to another bunker and repeat. It's a fairly worthwhile thing to do in terms of helping your team actually win the game and requires not very much attention if you position yourself so that you can see someone running up out of the corner of your eye.

 

GamingManiac

Skimming through the forums (and limited use of the search function), I can't find the topic I'm thinking of (it probably got purged away) but I seem to remember a thread containing the new set bonuses for rumored Arena Season 2 gear. Was this just set bonuses or stats as well? Main reason I'm asking is because I have 1800 points and no elemental gloves from PvP, and I'm interested in finding out the stats/set bonuses/glove bonus of the new gear to see if I should purchase it or not. I'm afraid I'll get too nervous to pull the trigger on the gloves (opting to save the points) and lose possibly the greatest pvp glove bonus for shamans (that I can think of) if Blizzard decides to prevent us from buying old Season 1 gear in Season 2.

And wow that's a lot of brackets.

 

MeCh

They were just for the set bonuses.