CasT

http://www.wowhead.com/?search=merciless#z0z

It's gonna be called Merciless Gladiator. The sets aren't released yet.


To the question of healing pvp gear, I don't think they actually will add anything with pure healing as the tend to think that no BG healers only needs +healing.

If I read the blue posts correctly it's only gonna update the epic honor parts, but who knows.

Do not matter how much you play, you will never get the carrot.

 

Keline

EXACTLY these are the ones where pure healing is missing.

Oh and there are rather large threads regarding the healing issue. Given how bad my class is at killing people, I want to heal in BGs and I'm pissed off that they've simply ignored PVP healing _again_. I also need these items for the arena to stay competitive against teams that wear the best of both PVE and PVP.

 

Meddler

Clarification of some stuff from the EU forums:

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....sid=1&pageNo=1

Basically the current arena gear will still be for sale alongside the old - whether this is because the new's more expensive, requires the old to be bought or just for those wanting to get set bonuses is still open to debate of course.

 

cabs

I am just desperately hoping they don't make the gear a re-skinned tier 5. The rogue Tier 5 looks dreadful, although my warlock alt will be very pleased.

 

Maynard

Though this doesn't tell us how T5 will be price, it confirms we might as well hold on to our points since T4 will still be available if T5 is unavailable or unappealing for whatever reason.

 

ReverendSin

I hope they don't make the T2 Gladiator set cost a whole lot more than the T1 Gladiator set, I'm aiming to pick up as many of the T2 peices as I can right off the bat and with the ratings being reset to 1500 it's going to be a pain in the ass getting back up to a significant point gain every week (especially after the recent changes).

 

• sordee

Actually thinking it through, having two sets of arena gear per season, (where the previous season becomes the discounted gear) makes a little sense in preventing excessive hording of arena points for instant new season gratification as per ReverendSin

 

• Bass

I am personally hoping that this is only so that one can still mix/match sets to get double 2 piece resilience, or finish off that elusive fourth piece before proceeding.

I can understand the price of the second season's being a bit higher, but one would hope that point gains would increase with it. Or, maybe you keep the season 1 around but reduce its price.

Bleh, pointless speculation.

 

Bibdy

This crap had better look like Tier 5.

There's always free cheese in the mouse traps, but the mice there ain't happy.

 

• probiscus

No change to warlock 4 piece bonus. /sadpants

 

gia

More pointless speculation:

I'm going to be very disappointed if the season 2 set isn't at least ilvl 141, especially the weapons. I'm keeping a close eye on the wowhead latest additions page and seeing a constant stream of new items ranging from ilvl 141 to 151.

There's a good chance that it will match tier5 stuff (level 133) but that simply won't cut it when compared to all the stuff coming out of hyjal/BT.

Especially the weapons have me worried, with the new drop rate on vortexes T3 BS weapons really set a minimum ilvl requirement of 136 that gladiator weapons should match. I'm hoping for a slight upgrade over that (141) so that I don't feel screwed for not being in a raiding guild. If T3 BS will be the same as season 2 weapons then a raiding warrior will have a pretty big advantage in that he can spend all his arena points on the armor while already having a competitive weapon.

 

tristantio

The T2 blacksmithing weapons are already superior to the gladiator weapons. The fact is the gladiator weapons are also easier to obtain, so wouldn't it make sense that the harder to get weapons remained more powerful?

 

• Maligne

Yeah, I'm wondering about this myself as I just got Nathrezim and I'm not sure if I should enchant it and buy flametounge seal because in theory the season two staff should be better.

What better cc is there for a druid than polymorph?

 

Suesse

If they want to reduce the PvE power of these items, they can just more heavily weight stamina and resilience at the loss of PvE stats. Since the gladiator weapons started out at item level 115 when very few were in SSC, it would only make sense that the new set and weapons would be BT level.

 

• Maligne

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...08243504&sid=1

Some confirmations:

- You won't lose any points
- There won't be two sets of points.
- The ratings will be reset but you will still earn points for your rating on the week of the change.
- The wording "should [the patch] go live on June 12th as planned" is used.

What better cc is there for a druid than polymorph?

 

gia

T2 BS weapons are obtainable with a 5 man group, if it weren't for the 25 man requirement I wouldn't be complaining as much.

 

• sadris

You would be quite delusional to think that arena gear will be as good as the drops from end bosses in BT considering there are less than 10 guilds in BT in the world... Previously arena stuff was about as good as Karazhan, now that Blizzard casualized SSC, its a safe bet to say that arena S2 gear will in the 125-135 ilevel range.

 

AndrewCarr

Is anyone else concerned with season 2? Arena items only cover a few slots, while PvE provides for every slot.

While it seemed like PvP gearing went much quicker than PvE gearing for season 1 initially, with the nerfs to 25 mans and better tuned content it seems like things will turn around in quite a startling way. So on top of having access to more items(trinkets, rings, necks, etc.) it looks to me like PvE will also be a faster way to gear up.

Normally this wouldn't be too much of a problem. If someone gets 2x as many upgrades for their end-game of choice than the other one(PvE vs PvP), so what? As long as the PvP player stays ahead of the PvE player in his realm, and vice versa, things stay relatively balanced. But with changes to arena team compositions(rise of the sp + lock groups?) and PvE itemization, along with the PvE progress possibly being 1-2 leaps ahead of the PvP progress, perhaps this balance is at risk.

I mean, if Season 2 gear is comparable to the next tier(T5) and most good guilds already have a good deal of T5 before the season even begins, it seems a little lopsided. And from what I've seen(which may be off) guilds are now progressing quite rapidly through BT, meaning by the time good PvPers even get a chance to start gearing up in T5 ish arena gear, good PvE guilds will have a decent amount of T6 or T6 equivalent PvE gear.

This normally wouldn't be such of a problem with the different values placed on stats in each realm, but with DoT teams becoming more predominant(GG resilience) and PvE gear gaining more stam(T6 hunter gear has a good deal more stam than T4 arena gear for example[last I checked], and has way better dps stats) it seems like this upcoming season might unravel Blizzard's/Player's hopes of keeping the two end game experiences separate and balanced..

I think I go off on this doomsaying like once a week here, but it is worrisome to me at least, and I was hoping maybe to get everyone else's opinions on the subject. Maybe my experiences with Arenas have been totally lopsided(at least one warlock in all but 1 team we faced last week) or I'm a bit off on PvE progression(going by Nihilum's news page atm).

 

Suesse

Almost every boss in Karazhan was level 100. No gladiator item was this level, ever.
Non chest armor pieces were Prince/Gruul item level (110).
Weapons and chest were SSC/TK non-end boss level (115).
Item level 125 would be a complete joke, particularly considering that the current gear is 123.

 

tristantio

I understand your point here, however I still think PvP gear will remain superior to PvE gear for PvP. While resilience doesn't affect DoTs, that doesn't mean that a warlock/shadow priest team won't still be wearing their resilience gear to prevent being burst down (thus lowering their overall +spell damage compared to what they could have in PvE gear). While a valid concern for the warlocks/priests could be that teams facing these DoT users may throw on PvE gear since they no longer need the resilience stat, with the amount of resilience the warlock/shadow priests are wearing this will still be a minuscule concern, since resilience is so effective at negating PvE gear crit bonuses.

 

Keline

I agree, the complete lack of healing gear from honor and the very limited selection from the Arena vendor means that I have to raid highend if I want enough healing equipment to stay competitive in the Arena. (with mortal strike) every second point of +healing counts

 

• Karakas

Previously S1 gear blew Karazhan gear out of the water, even for many classes' PVE purposes.

If we look at previous and current trends:

S1 gear is ilvl 123
T4 gear is ilvl 120

T5 gear is ilvl 133
S2 gear will likely be above this (in order to match PVE progression, since T5 really is about as common now as T4 was when S1 began), somewhere around ilvl 136-138 in my opinion.

Would actually make sense to be ilvl 136 since that would match the T3 BS weapons, and the current S1 gear matches the T2 BS weapons (and did prior to the epic revision in patch 2.1).

 

guyincorporated

From http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...eNo=1&sid=1#8:

So Season 1 gear is getting discounted and season 2 gear will be at or near the price for current arena gear. I really hope they post a preview of (a) the stats on the new stuff and (b) the discounted prices of season 1 stuff before next tuesday.

As the pally in our 5-man, I'm the last man to die in 85% of our matches. Therefore I had been saving my points (not feeling a crushing need for resiliance). I should hit 5k next week so I'm particularly interested.