Arena Season 2 announced - Page 5

oldmandennis · 06/07/07, 3:17 PM

PTR is up, but copies do not appear to be. I checked the honor vendors - the level 70 HWL purps were missing. The cloak, ring, and pvp trinket had a 15% reduction in the amount of honor needed, no change in marks, and the same stats.

Keline · 06/07/07, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ramielle

Current Arena gear is T4, not T5. Don't compare it to something that should (and with the loss in survivability, doesn't really) outgear it.

I have compared Gladiator + PVE items vs Gladiator + PVP items. Hence your point is completly invalid, as I have not compared Gladiator with T5.

Kinv · 06/07/07, 4:06 PM

Season 2 postponed till the 19th

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...08207349&sid=1

Maligne · 06/07/07, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by Kinv

Season 2 postponed till the 19th

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...08207349&sid=1

Saw that coming.

More time to save!

Bibdy · 06/07/07, 8:01 PM

Great. What do I do with another 1300 arena points?

• Shadowed · 06/07/07, 8:11 PM

Buy a second set of gloves, and put riding skill on it obviously

probiscus · 06/07/07, 8:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bibdy

Great. What do I do with another 1300 arena points?

http://elitistjerks.com/announcement.php?f=33&a=5

Put some effort into your posts. Don't spam, don't type mindless drivel and hit Post without hesitating — this isn't a chat room.

You can do better bibdy, c'mon.

Meddler · 06/08/07, 12:20 AM

Sniffed out details of warrior arena set:

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/3807/untitledyy9.jpg

Match up with the trend of the Paladin shoulders that cropped up on Alla so prepared to believe they're legit.

Edit: Image originally found here - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...08327631&sid=1

• Shadowed · 06/08/07, 12:29 AM

Really quickly/roughly done of S2 one vs the S1.

CHEST
+200 armor
+13 STR
+11 60
+4 hit rating
+5 crit rating
+1 resilience

GAUNTLETS
+100 armor
+5 STR
+4 STA
+3 crit rating
+3 resilence
-3 rage hamstring

HELM:
+125 armor
+5 STR
+2 STA
+14 melee hit rating
+3 crit rating

New socket bonus, +4 resil instead of +4 STR

LEGS
+140 armor
+7 STR
+7 STA
+2 hit
+7
+1 resil

SHOULDERS
+110 armor
+7 STR
+6 STA
+4 crit rating
+1 resil

New socket bonus, +3 resil instead of +3 STR

Vontre · 06/08/07, 1:51 AM

It looks like resilience isn't scaling up nearly as much as the other stats. I believe that to be a good thing, but I would of course =p

• Shadowed · 06/08/07, 2:11 AM

Well, you can already reach 230 easly with Arena/Honor gear, and you could stack 310-350 without much issue and we're also getting a 8 resilience gem...would have expected it to go up maybe 10-15 but not a huge change.

Ramielle · 06/08/07, 7:04 AM

Originally Posted by Keline

I have compared Gladiator + PVE items vs Gladiator + PVP items. Hence your point is completly invalid, as I have not compared Gladiator with T5.

You compared Gladiator T4 + T5 PvE items versus Gladiator T4 + T4 PvP items. A distinction that causes the results to be hardly valid.

I'll use warriors as my example, since I know them better. (I'll assume socketing will be followed, with blue level gems). Also, I'll only calculate the peripheral items (neck, cloak, rings, boots, belt, bracers), since as you said both characters would be wearing the same main gear.

PvP Peripherals = 73 str, 205 stam, 110 crit, 133 resilience, 140 AP, 10 hit
PvE Peripherals = 171 str, 193 stam, 132 crit, 42 agi, 100 AP, 19 hit

So, net difference using PvE gear instead of PvP:
AP = +156 AP
Sta = -12 sta
Crit% = +2.27% crit
hit% = +.57% hit
Resilience = -3.38% anticrit

When you compare Tier4 with Tier4, the supposed 'raider advantage' dissappears. The vast majority of raiding guilds aren't even into SSC yet as it is. And the change upgrading of Arena and PvP loot to T5 equivelent will probably end up forcing PvE'ers to PvP in order to progress.

Keline · 06/08/07, 7:17 AM

Yes very valid, because there are no T5 PVP items. Gladiator only covers the 5set and the 1hand.
You can't compare current Honor equipment with T4, because the high ranked players are no longer wearing T4. I see Paladins with purple boots (which are boots of courage unending, +50 healing +12crit advantage over PVP in the feet slot alone) in the arena all the time. I don't care about the vast majority, the vast majority is also not playing rated 2000+.

The resilience loss is irrelevant on all classes but the traditional focus target. The 200 resilience you get from the Gladiator set is more than enough for everyone else.

The only way to solve this problem is giving the arena more items so we can fully deck out with PVP stuff. Right now I have to wear 50% PVE equipment to have enough healing power to keep up.

♦ Bass · 06/11/07, 7:07 PM

http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.ph...66&topic=284.0

Merciless Gladiator set graphics. Stats for some in there as well.

Apologies if this was posted? I skimmed through the thread and did not see it.

Peekaboo · 06/11/07, 8:08 PM

If th sit is correct, comparing the new and old warrior chest piece we get:

Old
1547Armor
+23 Strength
+49 Stamina
Red Socket
Red Socket
Yellow Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Critical Strike Rating
Durability: 165 / 165
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves hit rating by 12.
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 30.
Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 23

New
1704 Armor
+35 Strength
+60 Stamina
Red Socket
Red Socket
Yellow Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Critical Strike Rating
Durability: 165 / 165
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves hit rating by 14.
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 35.
Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 24

Difference
+157 Armor
+13 Strength
+11 Stamina
+2 hit rating
+5 critical strike rating
+1 resilience rating

Juice · 06/11/07, 9:15 PM

Will the season 2 set bonuses work with s1 pieces (meaning 3 pieces of S1 + 1 piece of S2 = 4 set bonus)?

♦ Bass · 06/11/07, 9:27 PM

Originally Posted by Juice

Will the season 2 set bonuses work with s1 pieces (meaning 3 pieces of S1 + 1 piece of S2 = 4 set bonus)?

Very much doubt it, otherwise there'd be little to no point in keeping the S1 gear around for purchase.

Cayman · 06/11/07, 9:43 PM

re:juice
Given that for classes with multiple sets in the same season, set bonuses are calculated separately, I very much doubt that Gladiator's ____ and Merciless ____ will stack. When Blizzard wants more pieces than slots in a set, we see something like Imbued Netherweave, which has four pieces, only three of which can be worn at a time

I think that Blizzard is on the right track with the pricing for S1 gear and honor rewards, as this creates a much lower barrier to entry for rerolls/casual PvPers, while still leaving a quantifiable but not insurmountable advantage for the more dedicated Pvpers to be competitive about.

Zraknul · 06/13/07, 1:36 PM

Originally Posted by Peekaboo

If th sit is correct, comparing the new and old warrior chest piece we get:

New
1704 Armor
+23 Strength
+49 Stamina

Old
1547 Armor
+35 Strength
+60 Stamina

I assume you got everything under the armor backwards? Ie: old has more str/stam than the new.

In regards to the PvE raider + PvP gear mix vs the PvP gear only, you'll generally see the raider/pvp gear mix comes out higher. The people from the higher progress guilds in a given battlegroup will generally have PvE items better than PvP non-arena set pieces - in some cases better/equivalent to the 5th set piece. I prefer T5 pants for example to arena pants, it's fair to bring this up as it likely will impact higher rated arena teams; a decent number of higher progressed guilds have higher rated arena teams.

It'd be nice to see a teaser of at least one of the "normal arena sets" (that include resilience) and a new honor point item so we could get an idea what they're planning on doing.

tristantio · 06/13/07, 2:14 PM

Originally Posted by Zraknul

I assume you got everything under the armor backwards? Ie: old has more str/stam than the new.

In regards to the PvE raider + PvP gear mix vs the PvP gear only, you'll generally see the raider/pvp gear mix comes out higher. The people from the higher progress guilds in a given battlegroup will generally have PvE items better than PvP non-arena set pieces - in some cases better/equivalent to the 5th set piece. I prefer T5 pants for example to arena pants, it's fair to bring this up as it likely will impact higher rated arena teams; a decent number of higher progressed guilds have higher rated arena teams.

It'd be nice to see a teaser of at least one of the "normal arena sets" (that include resilience) and a new honor point item so we could get an idea what they're planning on doing.

Are they highly rated because they have the gear from raiding, or are they highly rated because they tend to be the most hardcore players around, up to and including going on raids for tiny advantages in PvP?

I don't think the raid gear alone makes them competitive in arena, since there are lots of straight up raiders with 1500 or below arena ratings. I think it's just that the top PvPers do whatever it takes for the largest PvP advantage, including raiding if needed.

Seriously, getting honor gear is quite easy and can be done while AFK in AV, getting raiding gear is much more difficult and requires the coordination of 25 people as well as a much heavier time commitment in general.

Zraknul · 06/13/07, 6:09 PM

Originally Posted by tristantio

Are they highly rated because they have the gear from raiding, or are they highly rated because they tend to be the most hardcore players around, up to and including going on raids for tiny advantages in PvP?

Obviously not, skill is still the most important single factor, but it doesn't hurt to have an edge in gear.

Consider for example: There isn't a healing neck or ring available in any form from pvp. There isn't a plate belt, bracer or boots for healing either. Yes there's +damage stuff available, but that's not exactly prudent point usage. We're talking over half the equipment you use isn't available from PvP without making notable sacrifices, where having access to good PvE gear can make a fair difference.

Aphyrax · 06/13/07, 7:52 PM

Originally Posted by Zraknul

Obviously not, skill is still the most important single factor, but it doesn't hurt to have an edge in gear.

Consider for example: There isn't a healing neck or ring available in any form from pvp. There isn't a plate belt, bracer or boots for healing either. Yes there's +damage stuff available, but that's not exactly prudent point usage. We're talking over half the equipment you use isn't available from PvP without making notable sacrifices, where having access to good PvE gear can make a fair difference.

That is an oversight that will hopefully be rectified next week. Druids do get +healing PvP items, just the other classes were forgotten for some reason.

CasT · 06/14/07, 3:47 AM

Originally Posted by Aphyrax

That is an oversight that will hopefully be rectified next week. Druids do get +healing PvP items, just the other classes were forgotten for some reason.

I am not sure that this is an oversight. I acctually think that it was blizzards point that pvp healing set is not only +healing. How ever I also think that they did underestimate the power of assist trains and therefore the amount of needed healing.

Kapuras · 06/14/07, 7:08 AM

Vaneras:

The PTRs are expected to come down for a patch at approximately 18:00 CEST today. The downtime should not be more than 4 hours.

Source: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....95189777&sid=1

I hope the Arena Season 2 Gear and the new PvP Honor Items are in this patch included.

Aphyrax · 06/14/07, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by CasT

I am not sure that this is an oversight. I acctually think that it was blizzards point that pvp healing set is not only +healing. How ever I also think that they did underestimate the power of assist trains and therefore the amount of needed healing.

It at the very least is inconsistent because druids do get a pure healing set. So unless Blizzard intended for druids to be the only pure arena healers then somewhere someone got something wrong. And I am very sure they will rectify that mistake now because even if it was intentional for season 1 the verdict is now in that healers in arena rarely DPS.