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We've had alot of diskussions of different PvP setups and howto counter some special setups. In this thread I want to share experiences howto combine a endgame raiding with high arena ratings. I have some specific questions if you don't want to elaborate a whole essay Sadly I do not provide the answer myself.

Myself is playing a resto druid in a pvp guild. Since our guildmembers are reluctant to respec and forward every request for pveprogress to the fact that we are a pvp guild really gimps our pve progression and therefore (imo) our overall pvp performance. There is also the issue of ingame currency. There is little to no way to keep the income up at the needed state of respeccs. It's is an uncontrolled situation for our tanks to spend 100g for every raid night in just respeccs and that includes no potions. The few coppers found on pvp bodies could generate som income but noone ever loots the corpses. What is your solution to the situation? Is it to buy wow gold on the internet or??


Do you respecc?
If so how many times a week?
Can you do well in both pve and pvp with your current specc?
Does your guild demand that you use potions/ Resistance gear?
If so how do you afford it?
How well does, especially your MT and other members of your guild with pure PvE specc do in the arenas?

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Chimp

I play on a casual 5v5 team which I created to get arena points each week for a bunch of us who focus on pve.

I occasionally respec MS – normally I try to do so on a Tuesday night, so I can get 2 weeks worth of arena matches done on the Tuesday/wednesday and be respec'ed back to my fury/prot spec for our Thursday raid.

Basically the respec issue has killed a lot of the motivation for us to play anymore than the minimum 10 games per week. I can't afford to respec multiple times per week, and we all agreed its just not worth playing games when I'm PvE spec'ed, as without MS we struggle to assist a target down (and our team is really awful when it comes to survivability … very little resilience + pve spec'ed druid/mage/lock makes for a squishy team)

I would estimate I spend 50g a week on respec's and I probably respec once every 1 to 2 weeks. Currently I herb my own potions and usually spend a couple of hours doing netherwing rep quests for gold after each raid.

 

Vazu

..after Hydross tonight, I may need to respec for next week. Our best was 18% and I know for sure my spec was part of that shortcoming. I'm considering a re-spec to full Affliction from Tues-Thurs when we raid SSC and then re-speccing for arenas. Will cost me 100g/week but meh. It's worth it. I can mine up 100g worth of mats in 1-2 hours.

 

woo-haa

We just raid Monday to Thursday then PvP the weekend. This works pretty well and 100g is quite easy to get these days with daily quests. I play around

On the earlier time when we hadn't settled a proper raiding schedule (and I tanked as well as DPS'ed and PvP'ed) I could respec up to 6-7 times a week. My gold depleted quite fast and I respec at minimum twice a week now (sometimes I respec to tank too).

As I'm the raidleader (and arena team leader) I ask everyone to spec properly. But there are those that can't afford it or feel they are adequate doing both parts with a "hybrid" spec. However I don't want to pressure too much as we are doing quite well in both PvP and PvE so far.

 

Hoonboof

I've spent enough to buy my epic flyer in respecs, I fund it by charging 250g per primal nether in the items I craft. I'm going to be broke and back to buying from china soon though because other people are muscling into my territory.

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Maynard

I'm hybrid healer spec. My guild takes me to raids almost entirely for the tree buff, so as long as my spec involves that point, the rest is basically up to me. I essentially have a PvP build aside from ToL itself which I don't PvP with for obvious reasons. I give PvP and PvE an equal weighting and my spec reflects this, I imagine it'd be a more challenging subject for core raiders and such.

I'd love to spec/respec, but my PvP times are sporadic at best.

 

Roset

I can say that my arena spec is more than sufficient for both PvE and PvP healing, in fact, if I was to go for an "optimal" PvE build, it would hardly differ at all. Its no surprise that most paladins who are at least somewhat serious about arena all have very similiar builds (41 Holy/20 Prot).

TLDR version, yes, I can do very well in both PvP and PvE as a holy paladin with my spec.

 

Ramielle

I do the 5 Prot favorable daily quests religiously. (Ogri'la & Skyguard ones) These tend to net me 60g a day for less than 30 minutes of work; this comes down to about 420g a week. 100g a week in respecs isn't so bad in comparison.

Now the only problem is finding another arena team after switching servers. My old one was top on our server too. T_T

 

Mem

I respec once a week from prot to arms, and yes, this limits my PVP time in general, since our raiding times are so spread out over the week. However since we might want to start a more serious team for season 2 I might as well use the money gained from the dailies for more frequent respecs especially since farming heroics isn't that high on my priority list as it was during the last months which leaves more time for PVP.

 

Ailith

First of all, hi, this is my first reply in this forum.

Anyway:

Yes, i used to respec from 2 to 4 times a week when i was pvping on a regular basis.
I'm a warrior, sadly my spec is completely different in relation to the role i have in raids.
I'm obviously spec'd MS (31/30) when i do arena and deep fury while raiding. I've never been protection for more than a couple of nights so i don't really know how that feels.

Yes my guild demands a daily flask / well fed / potions , you know, the usual thing, especially now that we're about to kill lady vashj.
I have a full time job so i wasn't easy to keep up with the rest of the guild. For a moderate amount of weeks i had to come back from work and farm up to 5 - 6 primals and sell them on the AH and then quickly gather the herbs required for a flask and a couple of potions. If i didn't manage to do that i simply completed the herbs requirements with a couple of buyouts from the AH. I admit it wasn't funny. At all. But it really paid off and now we're qualified for the EU finals in Hamburg (team Art of War).

Our guild is mostly pve oriented so only a few members do pvp on a regular basis. Our MT sometimes specs fury and does pretty well (he's a competent player, even if he's been protection since launch). All in all we have a pretty good amount of players that do pretty well in arenas even with pve specs, i.e. our second guild team is ranked 3rd in our battlegroup with mostly pve specs (except for the priest, ofc, that would be a suicide).

All in all i can say that it's possible to do high end pve and pvp at the same time, it just requires a bit of time farming everyday, which i admit cuold be very tedious sometimes, but it's doable.

 

Cel

I've always been jealous of paladins in this regard. The difference between a pvp spec and a pve spec is what, 5 points max? Whereas for me I'd be changing ~30-40, but at least I can function with my PvE spec. Prot warriors and Holy Priests have it worse than I do.

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ramp

Generally trying to pick out one day (or days in a row) for pvping/arenaing, but its still 100g a week to spec back and forth.
In the normal holy raiding build things like the crit immunity / minus spell damage, imp mana burn and inner fire don't exactly take priority.
Then again, by just doing a few daily quests daily, it is not that bad anymore

 

Zerakor

Do daily quests, and only arena when you have two days off pve. 100g a week to have fun in pvp isn't really that much.

 

• Amera

Blessing and a curse, you could also see it as a symptom of not having other viable specs, or at least not popular ones. I don't really see how holy priests get hosed, though - you can pick up the pvp talents without throwing that much for PvP away. I think most DPS classes and warriors get screwed the most.

 

• christide

For those of us who are specced shadow for PvE, it's pretty annoying.

 

Donzilly

Most raiding guilds raid Sunday-Thursays giving Friday/Sat/Sun morning off to pvp. I know at the moment I raid as enhancement and then respec elementa/restor depending on what our 5s composition is. If you have to respec twice a week ask your team mates for some money to respec. Its a lot of gold but with daily quests its not "too bad". Just make sure you schedule arena's at a consistent time.

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◊ Vontre

I just raid as my ice spec. The only thing I don't have that I would need is elemental precision. We're a scrubby enough guild that I can still dominate damage meters anyway =p. Not like ice is really that bad anyway.

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tristantio

On my warlock with most specs I can typically do fine with arena and PvE dps, although I sacrifice some with my current felguard build if I were to use that for PvE.

My paladin is the cookie cutter 41/20/0 so it's no issue for her.

My warrior is an alt that doesn't raid or PvE that often, so I don't have to spend much on him either, although in actuality I do have respec costs of 50g per toon.

 

• Andeh

Do you respecc? - Yes
If so how many times a week? - Twice
Can you do well in both pve and pvp with your current specc? - Not really. Combat Swords can do OK for Arenas, but it requires a lot of different filler talents. Rather than respec'ing just for those, I completely change specs to Hemo for a lot more survivability & utility.
Does your guild demand that you use potions/ Resistance gear? - Yes, but we aren't on any fights that need resist gear.
If so how do you afford it? - I'm an herbalist.
How well does, especially your MT and other members of your guild with pure PvE specc do in the arenas? - AFAIK, none of them do Arenas with PvE builds.

The answer to the title of the thread is simply "Daily Quests." I'd estimate that I've made about 2,000g since 2.1 went live, just working on Netherdrake rep, and that's with having several days where I couldn't do all the quests due to RL commitments.

 

◊ Lord BEEF

I've settled in a spec that works well for arena and raiding. I've gone full arena spec in the past but I basically give up all healing touch talents and am a much less versatile raid healer. If I really wanted to push arena ratings I'd definitely consider going that route but I'm pretty happy being in the 2000-2100 range.

I might do the 2 respec a week thing once I'm done getting all of the other gold requiring activities done (still need to raise my enchanting).

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• syeren

If you're a PVE Dedicated Priest than no, you cannot PVP effectively with that spec as you won't have Blessed Resilience or Improved Mana Burn (to list the most important abilities.)

As for PVE'ing with a PVP spec, we're in the exact same situation as Paladins, we can do it quite easily, although on a min / max scale we won't be as effective as players with PVE specs

 

Hildegard

As a rogue it is quite simple to do. With 19-42-0 you can DPS in raids, perform very well in arena and have an excellent solo play. The diffrence to combat dagger isn't that big and only remarkable if you don't have to run around, swith targets etc.

Only two pvp vs pve decisions to make: nerves of steel vs. weapon expertise and vile
poisons vs. improved poisons.

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Aphyrax

Being the only tree druid in my guild lets me get away with having an arena spec. I don't raid much anyway but when I do nobody gives me crap about my spec. So the one point into tree on top of the basic 40/11/8 template is my concession to raiding. And with the fix to lifebloom last patch that spec is actually quite powerful for PvE healing despite only utilizing 2/3 of the talent points. I regularly solo heal heroics with an arms/fury warrior tanking and never get to the point where I miss HT. I rarely even use regrowth and when I do I virtually never have to spam it.

You are of course correct that I lose a lot of versatility. But I feel that in a 25 man raid such versatility is not really needed. Some other class can take over the "big heal for big damage" role. I serve the raid best by HoTting. If there comes a fight where my role is absolutely completely useless then they can sub me out.

 

gatz

I'm in a pve guild and do some arenas and like to go to battlegrounds.
I respec at very least 6 times a weak.
I usually dps as fury, have to spec protection because I'm the frost tank on hydross, and spec mortal strike for my twenty arenas games or when I want to do some BGs.
I'm herbalist so I can gather mats for my flasks.
I was maintank until we killed Hydross now we've got 3 dedicated protection warriors that don't do pvp.

 

Frieza

I respec quite a lot, 3/4 times a week ... We are a pve guild so our Raidleaders ask us to raid with a pve spec, a flask for learning content or elixir for farming one etc etc

As a lock in an average 2vs2 team (2000-2100 rating) without a healer (i team with a rogue or a mage) i usually pvp with a soullink build (7/43711 or 24/37/0) which is suboptimal for pve, especially when you are learning an encounter and compared to any affliction pve build.

My main sources of income are farming primals and doing the daily quests, and these just cover the respec and consumables costs.