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06/05/07, 11:39 AM
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Hunter
Blackhand
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Countering Unstable Affliction
Simple question, I'm sorry if this doesn't deserve its own topic but based on the answer more discussion could be warranted.
If a Paladin Divine Shields and then dispels Unstable Affliction from a teammate, do they take damage or get silenced? If not, is this a common tactic used in Arenas?
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06/05/07, 11:46 AM
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#2 (permalink)
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Great Tiger
Blood Elf Paladin
Lightning's Blade (EU)
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If a Paladin Divine Shields and then dispels Unstable Affliction from a teammate, do they take damage or get silenced?
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No.
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If not, is this a common tactic used in Arenas?
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I'd say this depends on the team layout you'r facing. Imo usually UA isnt worth blowing your bubble for, but I'm a pretty bad pvp player so others here might give you better advice.
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06/05/07, 11:55 AM
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#3 (permalink)
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Piston Honda
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That will remove UA without getting the damage, same with COS.
When I had UA it did about 3-4k when dispelled. It's hard to track because the damage gets counted as the dispeler's damage. A priest friend of mine just shields himself and rolls the dice with his dispels as long as he is not being focus fired.
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06/05/07, 12:29 PM
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#4 (permalink)
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Piston Honda
Human Priest
Bleeding Hollow
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The only counters to UA, that I am aware of are:
Divine Shield - all dot wipe no penalty
Ice Block - all dot wipe no penalty
Fel Hunter's Devour - no penalty if UA devoured
For a priest you can Shield and ProM yourself and roll the dice dispelling, but it's not a pretty option.
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The last digit of Pi is delicious.
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06/05/07, 12:31 PM
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#5 (permalink)
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Priest
Mal'Ganis
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Fel Hunter devour makes UA blow up on the felhunter does it not?
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http://ctprofiles.net/95562
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06/05/07, 12:35 PM
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#6 (permalink)
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Bald Bull
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Nope it doesn't, was tested a week or two back and nothing happens.
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06/05/07, 12:49 PM
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#7 (permalink)
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Hunter
Blackhand
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@Ignayshus: I'm not talking about bubbling out of UA that is on the Paladin. How viable would bubbling and dispelling a partner's UA be? After the UA is gone, your Priest can easily wipe all the other debuffs in a few casts while you heal up in bubble.
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06/05/07, 12:50 PM
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#8 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
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None of the mob dispels in general will proc UA (shadow labs channelers for instance). It might be an oversight on blizzards part by not marking the felhunter dispel to trigger UA or that UA itself is coded such that it won't work against a non-PC in general. However, even if it did work against a felhunter, odds are pretty good that it would get a decent partial resist with all of it's natural resistence to magic (140-238? depending on spec) and the silence is shorter then the cooldown for devour magic as well.
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06/05/07, 12:54 PM
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#9 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
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I think it would be better to save the bubble to get rid of a spell lock/silence/cc rather then actively using your bubble to dispel someone else.
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06/05/07, 12:55 PM
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#10 (permalink)
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Don Flamenco
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Paladins can divine shield themselves and remove UA without taking damage or silence because they're immune to everything but mass dispel.
Is it a commonly used strategy? I don't think it's super common, it really depends on the situation. Healing is rarely the same fight to fight. Warlocks with UA tend to be pretty squishy, so do what you will with that.
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06/05/07, 12:56 PM
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#11 (permalink)
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Great Tiger
Blood Elf Paladin
Lightning's Blade (EU)
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Originally Posted by deathmancer
I think it would be better to save the bubble to get rid of a spell lock/silence/cc rather then actively using your bubble to dispel someone else.
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You cant bubble when silenced/spell locked.
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06/05/07, 12:58 PM
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#12 (permalink)
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Don Flamenco
Blood Elf Paladin
Shattered Hand
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Paladins can only dispel 1 magic debuff at a time and affliction warlocks have a dispel resist talent IIRC. The player is probably going to have 3-4 dots including UA so bubbling specifically to counter UA probably isn't worthwhile. You might as well be cleansing if you happened to be bubbled for some other reason and no one needs immediate spam healing though.
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06/05/07, 1:04 PM
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#13 (permalink)
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by vorda
You cant bubble when silenced/spell locked.
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You can bubble out of silence, you can't bubble out of a locked spell tree. IE: I'm casting and I get hit by counterspell, I can't bubble; A priest's "silence" skill, or improved CS when I'm not casting can be bubbled through.
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06/05/07, 1:36 PM
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#14 (permalink)
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King Hippo
Blood Elf Paladin
Destromath (EU)
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It doesn't make much sense to dispell an affliction warlocks junk as a paladin, with the new secondary effect they'll load up their target with DOTs faster than you can dispell them.
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06/05/07, 5:49 PM
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#15 (permalink)
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Lightbringer
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My warlock partner has started running with a spellstone in 2v2's. That clears UA without the damage/silence effect.
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06/05/07, 5:52 PM
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#16 (permalink)
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Great Tiger
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Either they changed it in 2.1 or your Warlock friend is crazy.
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There's always free cheese in the mouse traps, but the mice there ain't happy.
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06/05/07, 6:03 PM
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#17 (permalink)
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Don Flamenco
Human Warlock
Lightninghoof
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1. Blow some form of CS on the Warlock's shadow tree. If there's just one UA Warlock, it's very worthwhile considering all of the other bullshit you will stop them from casting. You've gotta lock him down.
2. Rogues own UA Warlocks if they aren't kited properly. Even then, it's a chore.
3. Assist and kill him. Even with 300 Resilience + and 12,000 HP, UA Warlocks are still clothies.
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06/05/07, 7:28 PM
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#18 (permalink)
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Piston Honda
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Can also dispell the UA dispell silence effect for w/e that's worth.
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"I have nothing personally invested in my own opinions. I'm just, like, inviting you to join me on the bandwagon of my own uncertainty." -Taylor Mali
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06/05/07, 7:31 PM
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#19 (permalink)
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Piston Honda
Undead Warrior
Kil'Jaeden
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Originally Posted by guyincorporated
My warlock partner has started running with a spellstone in 2v2's. That clears UA without the damage/silence effect.
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Did they really changed this? I know for a fact I've killed myself with UA when I spellstoned it off in early BC.
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06/05/07, 7:38 PM
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#20 (permalink)
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Piston Honda
Human Priest
Bleeding Hollow
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I wouldn't waste a bubble to try and dispel UA safely...
You're better off having yourself and the priest (since you state that you have one) both dispel until UA is proc'd and then dispel the silence on whoever proc'd it.
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The last digit of Pi is delicious.
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06/05/07, 8:59 PM
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#21 (permalink)
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Don Flamenco
Gnome Warlock
Spinebreaker
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Originally Posted by Ignayshus
I wouldn't waste a bubble to try and dispel UA safely...
You're better off having yourself and the priest (since you state that you have one) both dispel until UA is proc'd and then dispel the silence on whoever proc'd it.
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While you can indeed try this, the sight of a priest or paladin getting hit for 3-4k is essentially a red rag to a bull for my team. Also if one is silenced and you then stun the other you have 2 healers out of commision one of whom is at 60% health and silenced.
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06/05/07, 11:20 PM
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#22 (permalink)
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Great Tiger
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Just tested it outside Org.
Spellstones still proc the UA silence and damage.
It MIGHT be worth taking a known 3-5k damage hit and then devouring the silence off yourself if you're worried that being completely peppered with DOTs from multiple people will eventually outright kill you.
Last edited by Bibdy : 06/05/07 at 11:30 PM.
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There's always free cheese in the mouse traps, but the mice there ain't happy.
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06/06/07, 1:22 AM
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#23 (permalink)
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Piston Honda
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Mass dispel?
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06/06/07, 3:16 AM
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#24 (permalink)
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King Hippo
Blood Elf Paladin
Destromath (EU)
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casting mass dispell in a 5on5 with everyone in your team afflicted by UA is like playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets
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06/06/07, 10:24 AM
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#25 (permalink)
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Glass Joe
Gnome Warrior
Kil'Jaeden (EU)
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used spellstone very often to dispell ua..was no problem :P
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