Ignayshus

Every trinket now removes any movement impairing effect and any effect that causes the player to lose control of their character.

https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/t...08236503&sid=1

edit: I'm really not a big fan of this change atm, because it seems to heavily favor classes that don't rely on CC and races/classes that have other ways of breaking specific CC (stoneform, wotf)

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• probiscus

Dwarf paladins rejoice?

Does anyone, off the cuff, remember which classes didn't have a fear break on their pvp trinkets? Unfortunately I've only played warrior / rogue / warlock / shaman so far, and don't have much experience w/ other classes.

 

Hildegard

Makes huge diffrence in balancing. Quite bad for rogues and druids and very good for Warriors.

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◊ Shadowed

While I don't think we're going to see a huge change in 5vs5 because of this, it'll be interesting to see what happens regarding the dmg/dmg Feral Druid/Rogue type of teams, finally a counter to Cyclone.

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◊ Lord BEEF

I hadn't even thought about the possibility of it affecting cyclone. It'd be rough for us if it does break it for sure

edit: posts are confirming it does break cyclone

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DiscW

Well thats a hefty and unneeded kick in the balls to rogues.

 

Rinced

Blind is absolutly worthles now … and probably breaks sap aswell … so gn8 rogue in 2vs2

 

◊ Shadowed

Hardly

People always overhype these kind of changes and make it sound like the world is going to end.

edit: Since someone probably wants a longer post so padded it with about 500 words to make it longer.

 

Vodrin

The medallion version only costs 16983 now.

 

• Snowy

I see the logic in making all the trinkets the same, but if it affects new stuff such as blind, cyclone, deathcoil, etc., I think that's a really bad idea.

 

Meddler

Looks like everything might actually include everything:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...eNo=3&sid=1#57

Confirmation of cyclone there at least, would assume other things like sap/blind as well based off that post.

 

Grailyn

Character copy isn't working yet but made a level 1 and checked champions hall. Cost is way down but did not see any new gear.

This makes me nervous...

And no other mention of pvp gear. It's early, and it's not live but it just makes me a bit nervous.

 

DecimusGarona

This seems to help warriors and paladins the most, and hurts a lot more than it helps for some classes such as druid. Oh well, at least my pvp trinket breaks snares and polymorph now? Whee.

 

◊ Shadowed

Not a bad deal when you consider it would save risking shifting out and getting stunned in caster form....you can use trinket in form right?

 

• Calantus

A very interesting change indeed. I don't think this will affect 5v5 too heavily, but it's definitely going to rock 2v2 and to a lesser extent 3v3. A lot of strategies revolve around killing during a CC, especially the Warlock+SPriest vs Warrior+Paladin matchup. I guess it's going to come down to if you can get the mass dispell off before the warrior trinkets out of DC and pummels.

It's definitely needed that it removes everything that was removable before, shaman in particular got the short end of the stick before and that wasn't fair. Removing everything though... I dunno, seems a bit much. Especially if paladins and mages still can't invuln out of cyclone.

 

Mulva

I'll wait and see how it turns out, but as a resto druid this definitely isn't good news. But 1 cyclone broken every 2 minutes isn't the end of the world. If anything it helps out the warrior+paly 2v2 teams more than it hurts anyone else.

 

Dey

What's the point? shift out and if you got stunned in caster form use trinket then.
Considering the medallion of the horde has resilience on it and this awesome use, I think I will try to work out my tanking gear to make trinket slot for it. would help out in situations where I get stunned and unable to dodge.

 

◊ Shadowed

Because you're going to use mana to shift, and it's still less risk?

 

CasT

As a resto druid in Arena this is not a problem. It's just the best way to get them to use their trinket. I'd rather see them trinket a 6s cyclone than a warlock fear.


But for ferals I really think this gonna be a kick in the nuts: their only CC is now weak and they are resetting DR timers to shift to cast cyclone.

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• syeren

I'm unsure about this change to be honest.

From my perspective, I personally think that we're (priests) the weakest class in the game for arena healing when it comes to viable escape routes (We have fear, which against our main weakness, and the majority of classes due to trinket is useless,) and this only makes us weaker with people being able to trinket out of mind control, which of course removes all viable CC we have when it comes to arena (during the first phase, and used as a defensive spell.) On the other hand though, we can now trinket out of hamstring, so I guess it could be worse (Poisons being no problem to me)

Also, this is a huge buff to the strongest class in PVP in my opinion. now warriors generally don't have to care about anything stopping them in any form for the first trinket cooldown

Gnome Warriors, Dwarf Paladins, Dwarf Priests, and Undead Priests get the biggest boost out of this, mainly due to their racial back-ups.

Rogues, Warlocks, and Druids will feel a sting though.

 

raal

I think this change goes to deep to really figure out how it will relate to the different classes before we get to test it. On the surface it looks like CC classes like the mage who can spam their CC will be little affected, while CC on a short cooldown (priest fear to name one) will be somewhat worse. Then there is one-shot (in practice) abilities like sap, which previously had no counter apart from self immunity effects, which will be much worse now.

Most CC land in between these somewhere. The longer a spell's cooldown is, and the harder it was to previously remove, the worse this patch is for that spell. Wing Clip and Hamstring now have counters apart from Blessing of Freedom, but these are spammable anyway.

You end up with a matrix which looks like this

x -- Ease of removal today --->
|
C
o
o
l
d
o
w
n
|
|
v

Where cooldown decreases and ease of removal increases from X.

Top left is affected the most, and the severity diminishes for the spell the further down or to the right it would be placed prior to this patch. Sap is top left (one shot, no removal) - sheep is bottom right (chain cast, has a lot of counters).

But like I said, we can only figure out what this really means by testing it.

I do believe this change adds some complexity and skill to arena matches though, since everyone can remove everything, it becomes a lot harder to choose the right thing to remove at the right time.

 

CasT

I think both last poster are on to the two issues that I think Blizzard are about to fix.

1. CC:s Cooldown and trinket. compare 4 AE fears (in one trinket time) with litterally spammable Polymorph. I belive that blizzard are going to adjust these alot more.

2. This enhances the importance of choosing "right" Racials. I do think that Blizzard in some way will either up other racials or lower some or maybe even remove them completely as suggested after WSVG

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air

Wow. This is great news. I'm not sure how it will affect arena, but i'm getting sick of not being able to break freezing trap 1v1.

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aquacadet

^^^ ugg, so long ever having a chance against a warrior.

So any word on trinkets removing scatter shot too?

 

Kardinalen

I'm curious as to how this will impact the baalance in the 2v2 and perhaps the 3v3 arenas. The teams low on CC like warrior/paladin will probably grow even stronger.

I guess this was done to counter the constant whine about racials?