My Spriest partner and I made a push for 1850 in 2v2 last week, boy was it painful. We played 50 games between Tuesday and Wednesday evening, I think we had 15 losses. I'd say 75% of the teams we played were Gladiator teams, hell our very first game was a Pal/War Gladiator team. Of that 75%, 50% of them were warlock/rogue teams.

Kept getting this one team of an incredibly BT geared rogue with a SL/destro lock that has 12.6khp + engineering belt + voidwalker sac. He'd get the opener on me every time with paranoia and it was a cooldown race to keep my spriest alive by killing the rogue. With AR/prep he'd kill my spriest in about 12 seconds or so, meanwhile it would take me 30s+ to kill his tank warlock. We managed to go 40/60 with them I'd say, having my spriest run around like an idiot while mounted.

People give a lot of shit to rushdown 2dps, but I at least feel Rogue/Spriest has some finesse to it, particularly against some matchups. Rogue/Lock on the other hand, ugh, feels like the warlock is this Eye of Sauran sitting in the middle of the arena shooting lasers while being indesctructable.

I should add in, that this team was not good. Every time we managed to catch them off guard, they lost. And they were clearly losing to other teams that we were beating. Was sad to see they were gladiators, likely from gear+class combo.

If you're playing warlock/rogue and you're up against a healer/dps team, do you recommend going after the healer or the DPS first? Presumably your goal will be to kill one and Sap/Fear/Blind the other.

Healer first - Pros) Will be very difficult for them to heal through, high probability of killing them early on if they're not a paladin. No chance of a heal up to full after someone dies. Cons) Their DPS partner will have more freedom to DPS, CC etc. If one of you dies, 1v1 between warlock & dps is normally harder than warlock vs healer. Likewise rogue w/o any cooldowns isn't as powerful 1v1.

DPS first - Pros) Will be much harder for them to kill one of you because the healer will have to focus primarily on heals and not mana burn/dispel etc, and the DPS should spend a lot of their time stunned. Probably easier to 1v1 a healer. Cons) Easier for the healer to keep their partner alive if they're not focused. Not taking spell pushback etc. Rogue vs healer is not always a guaranteed win in 1v1. Paladins still a pain in the butt.

I've also heard that on clothies it's better to expose armor before you start your AR rushdown because 20% extra damage for the next 30 seconds is better than a single evis.

Do people have thoughts on this, is there anything I'm missing? I haven't really played rogue/warlock except a little at the very end of S2 but I'm going to start this season, so I'm interested in any insights people have.

I searched this thread and saw a little information on what I was looking for, but not too much.

I'm a rogue, respec every time for arena to ar+prep maces. His build is UA. On season 3, we are doing fairly well, but there's a LARGE abundance of Druid healer teams around the 1750 range.

Druid+Rogue: we go for the rogue and hope we burn him before he kills our lock. The lock has a hard chance surviving let alone anything else.

Druid+Warlock: Warlock all the way, however its still sometimes hard to burn the lock, specially if it is priest+lock.

Druid+Warrior: Here's the big problem. We simply cannot find anything we can do to kill this team. Poisons dont work, Druid CC's everywhere, and the HOTs easily keep the warrior up.

Anyone care to help with ideas and personal experiences?

Ask your warlock to try either a Felguard drain build (20/41/0) or an offensive SL/SL (27/34). Yes, you're double DPS, but in practice, UA really doesn't do that much more DPS than the above two specs, with the exception of timely shadowburns. In exchange, his survivability goes up threefold.

Go for rogue (in general, always go for the DPS, with the exception of priest healers). Call out on vent when you're about to kidney shot the rogue, so the warlock knows he can safely fear. Make sure the warlock also keeps an eye on the druid to spell-lock his cyclone. In terms of CC, we've found the most success with using blind on the druid early, forcing the trinket, and following that up with a full duration fear. Mainly because once blind is used, the warlock can then start doting the druid up as well.

If it's a priest/lock, go for the priest. He's much squishier than a SL lock, and your warlock can keep the other lock in control with CoT, fears, and a spell-lock on his shadow school when he tries to fear the rogue off the priest. Also helps to have your warlock leave his felhunter on the priest on auto-devour. Don't DoT up the lock either. Blind the lock once he uses his trinket on a fear (in general, against priest teams, blind becomes the better CC so use fear first to force the trinket, then blind).

Toughest matchup to face, especially if the warrior knows he only needs to play defensive since we only have healthstones as our heals. Best thing to do is get a chain CC going on the druid from the very start. Blind him to force the trinket, followed by a full duration 10-sec fear, followed by a spell-lock as he runs back to the warrior, a death coil after the silence, and another fear. By this time, the warrior should be low on health with a full stack of wound poison if not dead. Make sure your lock devours druid HoT's (and abolish poison) as often as he can. It's rough cause if you don't get abolish poison off and the druid NS heals without wound poison up, you're generally going to lose. That or the warrior is smart to go sword and board, spell-reflecting and intervening to druid until our CC is wasted.

I ran 2v2 with a rogue last season and we achieved Gladiator ending with a 2320 rating (currently 1900 this season)

The best spec by far for a rogue/warlock combo would be the rogue being ar/prep/hemo 0 / 33 / 28 with the warlock being SL/SL 27 / 34 / 0

It offers great burst by the rogue while a combination of good damage and great survivability by the warlock, because more times than not they will focus on the warlock.

As for stamina, you want to stack it until about 10.5-11k unbuffed then go for resilience and your other key stats.

With full season 3 you should be pretty close to 11k anyway, it wouldn't be a real good idea to stack so much stamina that it will gimp your damage, to get a good look at what you should be aiming for, look at Treflip (my partner) on Andorhal or Neilyo and Happyminti, both on Tichiondrius, both also partner with warlocks.

I'm shadowstep at the moment, I like it a bit better because i dont get kited around as much, but i do see the bonuses of going ar/prep to help with the initial burns. And the warlock went drain tank spex, and that definately helped us out. However, warlock/rogue has for some reason, became a big problem. we have tried many types of strats. If we attempt one strat, the other team seems to do the opposite. I get on lock, they get on me. I get on rogue, they get on lock. or, both rogues on lock and then its a burn fight. I simply cant decide what would be best for rogue/lock vs rogue/lock.

ahh, one last thing, priest/rogue. we usually beat them under the new drain tank/sub rogue team, but they do tend to give us a hard time here and there.

Ineed.

p.s. - the HARP nerf weakened the combo a bit so you may have a hard time vs warlock/druid and warrior/pally.

Ive been playing rogue/lock with my buddy since he hit 70 like three months ago. Against a lot of match ups its incredibly strong. Against others, its a loss. Like Druid/anything. ugh. Some things i've learned(and apologies for the rambling tone of this)

Get used to being focused.
The rogue is going to be in stealth to begin with, and youre playing a class everyone loves to hate. youre going to want to max out your survivability as much as you can so farm BGs like mad.


You should spec Soul Link/Siphon Life ASAP if youre interested in arenas. Something like THIS to start with.
As your gear improves and you get more health and resil, say around 200 resil and 10k health you can start pulling points out of Demonic Resilience and Shadow Embrace and putting them into more damage talents but for now you need to do everything you can to make yourself less squishy. Once your stats get a lil further up there you can spec into a more damage oriented build like THIS.

Your job is going to be primarily CC. The fire-and-forget nature of DOTs means you can dot up their dps and then get back to the buisness of ruining their healer's day. Pallies and Resto Shams in especially vulnerable to Curse of Tongues, so make sure you keep it on them As much as possible.

Against the Palladin/Warrior combo:

This is going to be rough. Really rough. At least untill you and your rogue's damage output get up there. We usually try to burn the warrior down ASAP, with my lock going Amplify Curse -> Curse of Agony and Siphon Life the focusing on keeping the palladin from healing while I go for the warriors back.

Druid/Other:
God i hate these fights
Try to fear the druid out of healing range and pray hes a noob.

In general i think sl/sl lock and rogue is a pretty decent pairing. I'll edit this as i think of more stuff to pass on. Im a tad spacey right now.

The specs you posted have some significant flaws. Not taking Demonic Knowledge is a bad idea, and you shouldn't drop Shadow Embrace because it improves the damage done by Drain Life.

I have had warlock rogue setup s2 and now s3, recently I have taken on a new lock and now we have some problems. I'm Shadow step, lock is sl/sl.

Basically we mow down through anything except druid-warrior and lock-priest.

With Druid warrior we have basically tried everything, from simply nuking down the warrior and cc-ing the droo to nuking droo, to spliting control and target switching.

Well I must say that purely nuking down the warrior has shown to be the worst of lot when dealing with teams with a clue. Droo's range of heals exceeds fear range and a lot of pillars make sure that even none pummeled fears do not land on target. Basically warrior droo teams that play defensively own us since we don't have healing and not enough burst damage.

Nuking the droo is just based on a lot of luck (warrior missing spamstring, resisting stun, droo making some mistake.) Basicall what happens here is i wait for droo to pop up and start to heal and then start locking him down and killing him along with some dots, problem is warr that doesn't waste his trinket on anything but blind, and we sure can't fear him, so if we don't kill the droo fast we're dead meat, recently with s3 gear addition I find that almost impossible.

Well I'm left with some tricks like having to be in paranoia range and if i'm lucky I might see droo in stealth, then spam sap over him so once he enters caster form he gets a sap and we get cc initiative for fear cycles and finally blind. If I don't find him however I still need to stunlock until fear lands or ootherwise he will just hug the pillar.

If anyone has any idea on how to deal with warr-droo plz do comment.

Priest warlock, well it's just hard, I believe undead racial has a huge advantaged when dealing with us, since controlling one will just make u go into dr from start. Basically the biggest problem is cc-ing the priest next to warlocks spell lock, even if it lands if u don't dispell shadow resistance u will be resisted a lot not to mention u need to clear the fear ward and then there's always wotf thing with ud priests.