Tschutschak

With the new reduced mana-cost on spellsteal you can actually afford to use it for dispelling (at least in 2vs2 - the only bracket i play atm). But you have to jugde the cost vs reward which includes knowing the classes you play against pretty well. Most healers have talents that reduce the chance of their buffs being dispelled, so even with only one buff up on your target you might have to spellsteal more than one time.

That being said, the only times i regularly use spellsteal is against Paladins (BoF, BoS - remember to cancel the buff, BoP) and Shamans (Earthshield).

 

Katashi

I am looking to go from casual raiding to doing some more semi-serious arenas. As such, I have some decent PvE gear and not much in the way of PvP. As such, my gear supports arcane more than it supports frost at the moment. There are a lot of ideas being thrown around on this thread that I have liked so far and was wondering if I could get some feedback as to how I might do well in some arenas with what I have immediately available to me. Here is a link to my armory if you would like to see what I am trying to work with.

Katashi's gear


I have been thinking that, for me, something like this might work best.

Proposed Spec



I figure that I could use Arcane Blast as my primary nuke and use Icy Veins when I have all 3 debuffs up or a melee class closes in on me. I would then try to get the opponent low enough that I can just burst him/her down with PoM+Pyro/FrB and anything else that I have available to me.

I know that there are flaws in this build, but I think it is what is going to give me the most punch since I don't have a lot of resilience yet.


On another completely unrelated topic, how can I roll a character on a EU server? I am currently in a beginning German class and I would like to find a German speaking guild that would be willing to let me join them for the purpose of learning to speak the language.

 

moowalk

You need to get an EU account first.

Then you need to change a us.worldofwarcraft.com to eu.worldofwarcraft.com in the config file of your US wow install. I had to do the reverse for a while. You'll need to swap it back to DL patches, and might have issues if they don't release patches coincidently. I can't remember specifics, but if you get an account and need some more help running it with your US install send me a PM and I'll work it out

 

tgbrown7

Does anyone have a macro for summoning there water elemental? What I am thinking about is something that summons him, and has him assist me and start attacking (also how would i put him on passive stance). I think this could help to hit a few less buttons and avoid the pet sometimes breaking CC

 

Sengiratolom

I was thinking about the haste gear from PVE and PVP with s4

What would a 5v5 combo with
Shaman (pref ele)
4 mages with 47/0/14 as spec

and the following gear on the mages

[Cowl of the Tempest]
[Pendant of Sunfire]
[Amice of the Convoker]
[Shroud of the Highborne]
[Sunfire Robe]
[Bracers of the Tempest]
[Gloves of Tyri's Power]
[Belt of the Tempest]
[Leggings of Calamity]
[Boots of the Tempest]
2* [Ring of Ancient Knowledge]
[Mind Quickening Gem]
[Serpent-Coil Braid]

[Heart of the Pit]
[Wand of the Demonsoul]

All yellow sockets filled with: [Quick Lionseye]
All red sockets with: [Reckless Pyrestone]
And the meta: [Ember Skyfire Diamond]

If the shaman pops Heroism/Bloodlust and the mages their AP+trinket+gem+AM macro, followed by a Frostbolt+ pom-frostbolt (if they'd have chosen different targets) the matches would be over very quick (this combo would acount for 1064 haste rating and 50% haste from hero/BL + IV, wich would make AM a 2.3 sec cast in total, frostbolt just over 1.15sec

This would equal 12k ish damage in less then 4seconds on the targets (without crits)

 

Psyche

Nice in theory, but remember you're going to have people attacking you back, silencing you, stunning you, etc. If they stay out of LoS properly and play smart, you won't be able to kill them. Just my opinion though.

 

Lejina

This is the macro I use.

#showtooltip [pet] Freeze; Summon Water Elemental
/stopcasting [nopet]
/cast [nopet] Summon Water Elemental
/cast [modifier:alt] Freeze
/petattack


First click, water elemental summoned.
Second click, the water elemental is assisting you.
Alt-click, and you get your pet nova.

 

Deadnlovinit

I don't have these items, I have S1 and some badge haste gear along with some honor haste gear. I would really like to get more, but as of right now this is what I have:

Arcane: 47/0/14

The World of Warcraft Armory

with 1137spell dmg w/o AI 1149 with AI

And let me tell you, I like it, I like it a lot. I would like to have more dmg and more haste but right now this is all I can get(gear wise), unless I can get a couple more items from ZA, I have not been in BT yet or Sunwell to get those items nor am I a tailior. I generally have pve'd more than pvp. Im starting to like arena's alot, I learning to how to play my spec,better and make adjustments on the fly, I'm currently in the stage of playing with other classes to see what benifits and works with my spec best. I'm thinking for 2s, I might do well with DiscPriest/, Shaman, Warlock or even Druid. I can really lay on the dps, sure it's a mana drain but Ive got about 127-135 mp5 which help out tuns along with mana gem + Evocation. I really blow up stuff fast with using a combination between fb and AM, with AM being the main nuke but definitely mixing in FB when I can, when I have Icey Veins going and then obviously switching to AM to polish them off and most of the time with AP up for another 6 seconds to start waking on the next guy who's already taking damage and finihshing them off pretty quickly as well. Even with being cycloned, spell stolen or sheeped, AM with the passive haste from gear alone is 15% haste rating, and for the most part with being uninteruptable unelss spell locked, I really still do alot of burst dps, and any help from my partners is just a bonus and it's fun times. With Icey viens I get 35% but for only 20secs. Now my rating wont reflect my praise as of yet, but like I said, Im still working with finding classes that play well with my spec/gear. and also the fact Im realtively new to arenas and still learning pvp'n.


Btw I have destroyed ppl in full S3 gear, epscially clothies, I have to admit If I sit back and I'm not aggressive, it's usually going to be a rough time. I have found being aggressive and not wasting time, will net you a win or the best chance of winning for the most part. Also I have a problem with sheeping in arena's and the time wasted initially sheeping I could have someone dead. I realize I need to work on this. I have gotten some sheeps off but trying to keep em cc'd in 2s and three's seems to keep costing me time which adversely affects me and my teams chance of winning. Since I have very little resilience, like 159-205 depending on what gear Im wrearing at the time, I feel that I dont have time to fart around, usually whats been working to give space is fearing or traping and that gives me enough time to finish off a player, sometimes depnding on make up, even when the other team has a healer, we go after the dps'er and just burn em down so fast the healer can not keep up, in the case with pally's just force them to bubble early and fast and it's usually gg, most of the time.

With the stuff you shown up there, 1000+ haste, omg, I can only drool over the damage that beings to dish out.


If anyone has any questions, comments or whatever ask me. Heck I need some guidence too but at the same time I like to see what I can "craft" up and not go by some cookie cutter spec, I like to experiment and with this I think with the right team make up and continued gear upgrades, I truely believe it can do well.


Deadnlovinit

 

Taja

Love it that people are trying out new things, but I have to interrupt you for a couple seconds. Its generally know that mage+healer does not work at all. (priest/mage has it fun I guess but requires top tier players) Your burst damage might succeed in lower brackets but in high arena I seriously doubt you could solo anyone with a healer backing him up. The gear you linked is amazing but it definately lacks ANY defense at all. A shs rogue would kill you in 15 seconds no doubt without getting any casts off.

Now I do like haste and I think its gonna be good in season 4 with a lot of honor gear available with haste instead of crit. Frost/haste might come out decent if you don't take the mainhand (doubt losing 280damage is worth it). The other gear is more about losing crit. If you can get around 0.2/0.3 casttime reduction your poly's are gonna be really awesome and you might actually be able to control rogues somewhat again.

 

Moshimoshi

Just curious, how viable is haste for arenas? Especially with s4 coming it will be possible to stack it up to at least 500 while still retaining a lot of resilience.

 

cryek

I'm of the mind that point for point haste is a better stat than crit in pvp. This is of course relevant to the honor reward items that explicitly give you that choice, but also something to think about when including pve gear in your arena set. Some currently wear[Pendant of the Lost Ages], [Band of the Eternal Sage], [The Seal of Danzalar] and the like, but they might be better served by sunwell loot with sunwell itemization. I might take [Sunfire Robe] over [Brutal Gladiator's Silk Raiment] and still make 400+ resilience w/o gemming to it.

Before you even think about the resilience penalty to crit rating in pvp, haste is better by the numbers: in dps per rating point, the utility of faster damage and CC spells, and even a shorter GCD. I'd even say its significantly a better stat for pvp than crit rating.

I guess there's the question of where it stands compared to spell damage, and the real question is whether haste is the better choice at 10 haste for 12 damage, or a similar deal of 227 ([Brutal Gladiator's Silk Raiment]) for 266 ([Brutal Gladiator's Spellblade]). My gut instinct (probably just opinion) is that its not, but its nice to have the option. I opine more confidently that stacking it above and beyond the 'good deals' of the honor gear, yellow sockets and perhaps dagger is counter-productive, since any stat scales poorly when stacked to the cieling. I don't know how you'd get to 500 without hurting your survivability and burst potential, but, then again, those would be some mighty quick polymorphs.

 

Azzuro

I agree; I'm not a fan of crit at all in PVP. Haste is nice, but I prefer gemming for damage and just keeping the haste I have from gear. Damage, though, is much more important for your Ice Lance/CoC bursts than haste. I'd say that's the one aspect that makes haste questionable.

 

cryek

Yeah, I think most people will stick to stacking damage and stamina gems. What's not as clear is whether the few people with access to T6 gear and S4 will mix in sunwell gear, or opt for the full S4 set. in S2 and S3 there wasn't much in the way of good trades for your honor and arena gear, once you factored in resilience. Elite raiding mages will have some interesting opportunities.

 

Friccs

I need a macro, for my pet to attack a certain target and not any target visible. I'm thinking of the situation when we're doing a 2on2 MM against Druid Rogue.

Druide is sheeped, Rogue is focused an manages to vansish. so the Pets will attack the Sheep - instead of stop attacking and wait for the rogue to be in fight again. Any ideas how this could be done?

My not working as intended macro is:
/use Ikone des Silberwappens
/wirken Eisige Adern
/cast [nopet] Wasserelementar beschwören
/stopmacro [nopet]
/click PetActionButton5
/petpassiv
/petattack

Give a man a fire and he is warm for the day, but set fire to him and he is warm for the rest of his life.

~Terry Pratchett~

 

ceasefire

I bind my /petattack into a macro titled Gangster Frostbolt that uses Trinket, Icy Veins, and Frostbolt.

I bind /petpassive to my Polymorph + Alt for Focus macro.

I think binding /petpassive to Polymorph is a good idea, since the cast doesn't even need to go through for it to happen.

 

doogless

Let's ignore the fact that you're trying to Polymorph a Druid.

While I'm not 100% sure what your macro does since I don't speak German, the problem is most likely that due to server lag, you can't effectively macro a WE and set it to passive in a single click. You have to set the elemental to passive after it's been summoned, since the /petpassive in the macro attempts to apply itself before the elemental has actually appeared.

You either need to spam that macro a few times when you summon the pet, or bind /petpassive elsewhere.

 

Friccs

thank you, for your ideas - i think I'll try the spam . .


(and yes somteimes we polymorph Druids e.g. CS on CD)

Give a man a fire and he is warm for the day, but set fire to him and he is warm for the rest of his life.

~Terry Pratchett~

 

Grymauch

Do you guys have any solution for the bug where after your water elem dies it takes 10-15 seconds to summon another?

This really gets painful in some of my 2v2 matches where, as a 2dps team, time is so critical.

 

Tschutschak

No solution just a workaround:
/script PetDismiss()

as a macro and bound to a key is what i use.

 

Juli

This doesn't work for me unless I use it before the elemental dies (to either timeout or killed by damage).

 

Grymauch

Thanks to the EU forums I have found a macro that fixes this.

#showtooltip
/cast [target=pet,dead] Summon Water Elemental; [nopet] Summon Water Elemental
/cast [pet] Freeze

My old (bugged) macro had the "Freeze" line above the line to Summon WE and the Summon WE line didn't have the check for the pet existing but being dead (i.e. when the bracers are on the ground). So, the old macro was getting stuck on the line trying to Freeze because the pet "existed" even though it was dead.

This fixes it for me. The dead pet's bar will stay up, but you can summon a new WE through that and the bars will refresh.

 

Maligne

How are gemming options looking in s4? As for metas, [Powerful Earthstorm Diamond] seems to be overtaking [Chaotic Skyfire Diamond] as the gem of choice with the amount we're getting trained these days.

The new haste gear opens up some options, but I think stacking full haste gems is going to be sub-par to resilience and stam gems, except for maybe [Forceful Seaspray Emerald]s. Especially if you wear rocket boots/invuln belt. Has anyone calculated what the max haste attainable is in full PVP gear to see if it's worth it?

Inform your dealers and whores of my credit, and pour me a goddamned drink!

 

Tilted

I use the macro below, although I have to admit the ones mentioned previously are probably more attractive. None of them set the pet to passive though, which is why I came up with this in the first place. This came up when my guild was learning Vashj and I was on kiting detail. Too many times I wasn't able to freeze a strider because my dumbass pet was busy firing bolts at an immune target from the other side of the room thanks to forked lightning and being in defensive mode. It's useful in PvP too when you don't want to risk your pet running to the other side of the arena.

Press it once to summon, again to put it on passive. You don't need to wait for the GCD to finish for the second button press.

#showtooltip Summon Water Elemental
/petpassive
/cast Summon Water Elemental

 

Tizzlewump

A lot of elemental macros (mine included) use the same button to summon the pet as they do to freeze with it since they are mutually exclusive casts. The last time I tried to use /petpassive in that context I found the annoying feature that trying to pet freeze would cancel the elemental's current waterbolt due to the fresh /petpassive instruction. After an hour of whining in /g about testing macros for three minute cooldowns I gave up and found a different button for /petpassive.

I should caution that I haven't been back to test this for several months because it was just that annoying and I already learned my own workaround.

 

Elyasviel

Hi guys, so Season 4 just came around and I'm looking to arena more actively this season. Currently have 430 Resilience and 990 spell damage with my arena gear on but thats with Scryer's Blade of Focus.

Should i use Scryer's Blade or go for S2 Dagger for 18 more resilience even though it gives me less HP mana and 22 less damage?