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Old 07/17/07, 5:17 PM   #51
Monsanto
Don Flamenco
 
Tauren Druid
 
Mug'thol
Originally Posted by Yakman View Post
1) The warrior white damage crits you (before resilience) resilience makes it not a crit. The damage shows up as a crit, but without as much damage as you would expect. The warrior gets flurry.

I'm fairly certain that this only applies to things that BENEFIT you when you get crit. For example, blood craze and enrage for warriors, blessed resilience for priests.

There was a patch a while ago where they changed things so that resilience was not lessening the value of those talents.


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Old 07/18/07, 2:53 AM   #52
caladein
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Wildhammer
Yes, as Resil is flat -Crit % to the other person, there's no such thing as a converted hit for either side.

All talents that take effect when "you" get crit have a chance equal to your Crit Reduction to proc on any normal hit so the effectiveness of those talents remains the same.

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Old 07/18/07, 12:15 PM   #53
Kiklion
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Shaman
 
<NoX>
Tichondrius
Originally Posted by caladein View Post
Yes, as Resil is flat -Crit % to the other person, there's no such thing as a converted hit for either side.

All talents that take effect when "you" get crit have a chance equal to your Crit Reduction to proc on any normal hit so the effectiveness of those talents remains the same.
It actually makes the talents that proc on being crit a bit less effective after considering resilience.

Let's assume you have -10% chance to be crit and the oponent has a 15% crit rate.

5% of the attacks will crit procing the talent.
Now of the other 95 attacks, 10% of them will proc the talent so you have a 14.5% proc chance.

Assume - 20% and 25% crit

5% proc off crits
19 of the other 95 attacks will proc it, total proc rate 24%

-20% and 30% crit

10% off of crits, 14% off of hits (20% outa 70 hits) and its only a 24% proc rate rather then a 30%.

When your -Crit chance equals their Crit Chance then it has the same effect as if you had no resilience in the proc rate of the talent. If their crit chance is greater then your -crit chance the proc rate goes down. If their crit chance is lower then your -crit chance the proc rate goes up. However that last scenario only really happens with Aff. locks and pets.

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Old 07/20/07, 7:06 PM   #54
Blazingwater
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Troll Shaman
 
Shadowsong
Shaman have it too....

As said above, priest have an ability to become immune from crits after a crit (60% chance). Well, not far into the restoration tree of shaman, there is a talent that gives you a 70% to avoid interuption after being crit. With more resilience, that lowers the chance that the talent will proc, and won't become as useful as before.

So yea, it depends on your play style on if you want a lot of resilience.

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Old 07/20/07, 7:23 PM   #55
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Tauren Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis
Eye of the Storm is in the Ele Tree, 100% for 3/3 which prevents losing cast time after a crit, not resto (Healing Focus) which is a flat, no proc 70% chance to avoid interuption.

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Old 07/20/07, 8:17 PM   #56
DecimusGarona
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Tauren Druid
 
Garona
Originally Posted by Blazingwater View Post
As said above, priest have an ability to become immune from crits after a crit (60% chance). Well, not far into the restoration tree of shaman, there is a talent that gives you a 70% to avoid interuption after being crit. With more resilience, that lowers the chance that the talent will proc, and won't become as useful as before.

So yea, it depends on your play style on if you want a lot of resilience.
This is not how resilience works with defensive based procs on crits... If resilience reduces your chance to be crit by 10%, every single attack (that is capable of a crit) will have a 10% chance to proc your defensive "on crit" ability.

There is no down side to resilience, and anyone who takes arena seriously will try to get as much of it as possible (read: get their gladiator gear/honor epics).

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Old 07/21/07, 6:56 AM   #57
Ziny
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Silvermoon
New gems have been added on the PTR;


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Old 07/21/07, 5:19 PM   #58
Kiklion
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Dwarf Shaman
 
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Tichondrius
ziny do you have a vendor for that?

Also, DecimusGarona, as i posted and explained earlier, there is a change in the proc rate of talents that proc off being crit, however it is a variable change. If their crit % is equal to your -crit % then there is no change. Their crit being higher then your -crit gives you a reduced proc rate, albeit small. And when their crit is lower then your -crit, the proc rate has increased.

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Old 07/21/07, 5:31 PM   #59
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Looks like 4 Halaa Research Tokens off the Halaa Quartermaster (name matches up).

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Old 07/21/07, 5:43 PM   #60
Opioid
Don Flamenco
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Kil'Jaeden
I don't read whatever language that is but am I correct in deciphering there is a useful and perhaps even profitable gem that only requires one talasite to cut!?

Is there some ridiculous 100 kill token cost in addition to the research token cost by chance?

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Old 07/21/07, 6:09 PM   #61
Kiklion
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Shaman
 
<NoX>
Tichondrius
Originally Posted by caladein View Post
Looks like 4 Halaa Research Tokens off the Halaa Quartermaster (name matches up).
DOH! im an idiot.

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Old 07/23/07, 1:16 PM   #62
Mekkapiano
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Gnome Warlock
 
Bronzebeard (EU)
That's an interesting gem. 2 of those will give you a total of +12 stamina and +8 resilience, which is the same as if you just got 1 of each of the existing gems.

The difference is of course that this new one will match both blue and yellow sockets. That's good for meeting set bonus requirements.

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Old 07/23/07, 1:32 PM   #63
Suesse
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Human Death Knight
 
Llane
These are a great match for the PvP necklaces(Amulets - Items - World of Warcraft) which sport a yellow socket and a 3 stamina bonus.
You just have to decide which is better 3 stamina or 4 resilience. If you're cheap (gearing an alt), you might consider that talasite is less than half the price of a star of elune.

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Old 07/26/07, 5:13 AM   #64
Herrera
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Lightning's Blade (EU)
Originally Posted by Mekkapiano View Post
The difference is of course that this new one will match both blue and yellow sockets. That's good for meeting set bonus requirements.
Too bad arena gear has only red and yellow sockets.

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Old 07/26/07, 6:00 AM   #65
Tiiki
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The Venture Co (EU)
It's a great gem for yellow slots nonetheless.

Plus it counts as Yellow AND Blue for Meta Gem requirement purposes.

I don't expect Talasite to stay cheap for long though, with this around

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Old 07/26/07, 10:36 AM   #66
DecimusGarona
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Garona
Originally Posted by Herrera View Post
Too bad arena gear has only red and yellow sockets.
Not all classes have the same socket colors, mages for example have all blue/yellow sockets, and no red.

I suspect that, if nothing else, this gem will be extremely popular for feral druid tanks, as resilience is a much better stat to stack to reach the crit immunity cap than defense (for druids).

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Old 07/26/07, 10:48 AM   #67
Herrera
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Lightning's Blade (EU)
Originally Posted by DecimusGarona View Post
Not all classes have the same socket colors, mages for example have all blue/yellow sockets, and no red.
Actually, only mages and warlocks have only 1 blue socket, 3 yellow and 2 red (and meta). Everyone else is 3/3 yellow/red and some classes have 4 yellow and 2 red. This is merciless I'm talking about.

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