Rated game matched vs Skirmish - intended? - Page 2

PapaShlapa · 06/19/07, 12:20 AM

Every time we've ever seen this bug, it was after waiting in queue for 5+ minutes. We'd end up playing against some random scrubby group probably rated 1700 or something. We're 2546. I've never heard of anyone being able to willingly make it a 0 point game, and if they could, they'd be incredibly stupid to flaunt it to you like that.

SolHeiM · 06/19/07, 3:22 AM

This bug is indeed a strange one, my 5v5 team faced this bug against the same team three times in a row (being in a small battlegroup) we got no rating from the first two matches we played, but won 1 rating the third game, but the bug was still there, causing us to play three games where two games weren't counted into the win/loss of our team.

Weird stuff..

Grailyn · 06/19/07, 10:37 AM

Had this happen nearly a dozen times in the past 2 weeks or so. Once it was the same team doing the exact same thing which certainly seemed to cause it to happen on demand 3-4 times in a row.

After several petitions I got a useful GM who understood what I was telling him who was going to 'personally investigate it'. Not that I'm putting much faith into that but meh worth a try when it at least seemed that it was an obvious exploit.

Going to avoid posting the details of what I believe to be the way to replicate this just in case it really does work.

Corfius · 06/19/07, 10:59 AM

The bug the OP described can happen in a rated game (for both teams) as well. It happened 2 times in a row when we played a team from my server. The scoreboard was messed up and we didn't get any credit whatsoever.

I talked with them after the games and they had a rating of 1380 or so while we were at 2200ish.

So it definitly happens if the team you play has a much lower rating.

Ghostz · 06/19/07, 11:09 AM

The 0 rating gain is not a bug... if you've been in queue for long enough (usually 5-7mins+) it will match you up with virtually anyone. That's been working as intended for a long time and as far as I can tell, that's not what's being discussed here.

The problem being discussed is people playing and beating teams that have a *higher* rating than them are not getting any credit for it. It also seems like some teams can do it on command, so if they think the game is going bad for them, they can just turn it into a skirmish rather than a rated game. Aka, BIG PROBLEM.

Tiiki · 06/24/07, 9:45 AM

Originally Posted by Grailyn

Had this happen nearly a dozen times in the past 2 weeks or so. Once it was the same team doing the exact same thing which certainly seemed to cause it to happen on demand 3-4 times in a row.

After several petitions I got a useful GM who understood what I was telling him who was going to 'personally investigate it'. Not that I'm putting much faith into that but meh worth a try when it at least seemed that it was an obvious exploit.

Going to avoid posting the details of what I believe to be the way to replicate this just in case it really does work.

I think you should test and post details here if it is a workable exploit.

The more and faster it's abused, the quicker Blizzard will fix it. Instead of it benefiting teams 'in the know' for an indeterminate period. You can't assume Blizzard already know about things like this.

Nalmeena · 06/26/07, 5:43 AM

This is just going to be speculation, but it might have something to do with kicking a player off the team when they see they are going to lose?
Might be a glitch, making the game believe it was a skirmish since all the players was not in the same arena team?

diotox · 06/26/07, 5:51 AM

We had a questionable 3v3 game tonight against a 2x warlock shadowpriest team. They got sloppy with their felhunter control and after the initial staredown of sorts we actually fell back all the way into the spawn around the corner and killed both felhunters, and ultimately went on to win that game. Except the final scoreboard had no rating column at all, and the game didn't register on our record. We weren't even queued for longer than a minute, the 3v3 queues were moving quite fast. It seems very suspcious to me, as I've only ever seen this happen after sitting around in the queue for 5+ minutes, never under these circumstances.

Enova · 06/26/07, 8:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ghostz

I don't think they lie intentionally, they just have no idea whats going on so they give you the best answer they possibly can without saying "I don't know." This sounds like a pretty serious issue though...

Well, assuming there is a known exploit about this, would you expect the GM to come and say

"Sorry, it appears your opponent team cheated by disconnecting while in queue/in the arena and therefore rendered the match ratings void"?

First of all, they'd be admitting the game's own weaknesses, and secondly, they'd be revealing what it it that triggers this kind of error, and that would encourage abuse. But still, a straightforward "it's a known bug, it's being looked at" or "we have no ideea what happened" would be better than giving false information...

syeren · 06/26/07, 9:12 AM

Although I can't say for certain, we've been doing 5v5 this week and against one of the top ranked in our battlegroup, if they win they get points from us, but whenever we win, they lose 0 points and it's a none-rated game apparently.

This has happened the 4 times we have beat them, yet the 4 times we lost to them it was a rated game...

I obviously can't say they're exploiting for sure, but it is rather annoying and suspicious.

Umph · 06/26/07, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by syeren

I obviously can't say they're exploiting for sure, but it is rather annoying and suspicious.

Makes you wonder how they became one of the top rated teams in the Battlegroup, doesn't it?

diotox · 06/26/07, 7:22 PM

You know the more I think about this the more I think it is an exploit. Has anyone EVER had this happen when they lost a game? Every story I've ever heard involves the team winning and not getting points, rather than losing and retaining your points.

Seeten · 06/26/07, 10:03 PM

I have seen this 5 times, all 5 times were victories by my team. I have never seen it for a loss.

Gankt · 06/26/07, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by syeren

Although I can't say for certain, we've been doing 5v5 this week and against one of the top ranked in our battlegroup, if they win they get points from us, but whenever we win, they lose 0 points and it's a none-rated game apparently.

This has happened the 4 times we have beat them, yet the 4 times we lost to them it was a rated game...

I obviously can't say they're exploiting for sure, but it is rather annoying and suspicious.

Near as I can tell, and this is somewhat GM confirmed, it has to do with players on a team leaving a game early OR disconnecting.

We had this occur multiple times one day, and a GM asked if any member of the opposing team had left the game early, I think that this is an attempt safeguard to players disconnecting(no rating change), and I'm sure there is more than one condition to satisfy, but from all of my teams testing, it definitely has to do with disconnects, time leaving a game, and circumstances under which a game was left by a player.

I'm not sure at all how it is recreated for one team or another's favor and both myself and my team aren't interested in bugging games to find out, but we have definitely had it occur both ways(our Paladin plays from Japan and until a few days ago, played from Japan on stolen wireless internet, had probably 1-3 disconnects every 2 hours), I've seen both lost games and won games bug out.

Tiiki · 06/27/07, 9:46 AM

So who wants to test this with a 'forced' DC then?

(i.e. Ctrl-Alt-Del -> Task Manager -> Force close WoW.exe)

I'd rather lose points on an accidental DC than have an exploit available... grrrr