doogless

This advice goes contrary to everything I've ever seen. When playing Warlock/healer, one of the easiest ways to win is to run the other healer OOM while staying alive, and SL/SL is the best build for this. The point isn't to win by killing someone quickly, it's an battle of attrition where you slowly (or quickly, if they don't know how to LoS mana drains) wear down their mana so they can't do anything.

 

Molochi

Yea, like I said, I'm not an expert or anything I guess that strat would work as well. Most likely especially in the higher brackets. I have yet to play in 1800+ bracket. Starting out, if you are a good player I would go dps though, and then at higher rating go sl/sl. Just my thoughts.

 

firebird365

Does anyone have advice for a Priest/Warlock combination in 2.3/Season 3? My friend (Priest) and I just hit 70 on our alts, and we're trying to decide whether he should spec shadow or discipline/holy (determining our honor & arena gear choices). I ask the more experienced Warlocks out there: is the Drain Mana nerf as significant as it's made out to be, and would we be better off playing Shadow Priest/Affliction Warlock? Or will a 28/33 Priest with a 23/38 Warlock still be a viable combination?

 

Rej

How do warlocks compare to hunters in 5's for 2.3? We're lacking any sort of ranged DPS, and have only a feral Druid for CC. The thought was to swap out one of our warriors for a hunter or warlock. Right now we're leaning towards the warlock for the CC, but I can see Hunters bringing a better mana drain?

 

Schmich

You should be quite okay. If the paladin is a cleanser spam rank 1 DoTs and mana drain if he's having a hard time dispelling (if he dispells nicely you can even use rank 1 mana drain). Since he doesn't have offensive dispelling you will still have +26%healing fel armour which helps quite a lot for lasting. And of course, if he doesn't cleanse your damage shouldn't be lacking.

 

Vectom

I've been running 2v2 with a priest for the first half of s2 specced felguard and it worked quite well until we neared 2.1k rating when it suddenly lost it's power due to so many sl/sl warlocks negating most of my dmg by banishing my pet while draining the healer. I respecced to sl/sl after and we were able to rank up to 2.2k where we hit another brickwall in form of rogue/healer teams (rogue/dwarf priest just destroyed us) and warrior/druids. My priest quit wow shortly after and I run 2v2 with paly ever since, so I can't really tell how would that be these days.

Anyway, I'm pretty confident saying that affli lock/spriest is nowhere near as powerful as it is in the lower brackets (up to 2k or so). Where los-ing becomes a huge part of the game. Rogue just seems to be a better synergy for spriest.

 

Sumie

It can work if you get a string of games of only warrior/druid teams. And the ironic part is, once you break a certain barrier (usually the 2200 line in our battlegroup), that's all you face.

Rogue groups are doable, unless they're paired with a priest (if they are, and the rogue goes for you, you're not going to get UA up and the priest can safely pillar hump while using only 3 instant spells -- dispel, PoM, and PW:S). If they don't have a priest partner, the key is to get the rogue to blow CloS early, either by kiting him with an amped curse and well-timed AoE fears, or just bursting out a lot of damage quickly (use shadowburn early) so that he panics and cloaks. Once cloak is down, death coil him, get UA up, dot him up, and just let the shadowpriest do the rest while you spell-lock the healer.

SL Lock/healer combos though will knock you all the way back to 2000, running your spriest partner oom pretty quickly.

 

Silver_Surfer

Any advice for handling mostly "Undead" Rogues and Mace Specced warriors as a SL/SL lock? I know my resil is low (100) but for the most part I am completely stun locked and they're immune to the only CC that would allow me any sort of defense (except for DC). I get one trinket out of the stun lock.

I'm amazed at how often the mace stun procs, BTW.

 

Calantus

Gear up and suffer in the mean time.

You can try to CoEx kite a rogue off a deathcoil but you have to get them to blow all their cooldowns first or have your partner help counter them when they pop them to try and catch you. I don't know what your partner is so I can't give specifics there but I'm sure they'd have some sort of CC.

 

Silver_Surfer

Well right now it's a resto shaman in 2v2.
In 5v5 we have a warrior, shadow priest, paladin and hunter.

I guess what is bugging me even more than being stun locked is CoS. Removes all my dots and makes them immune to all spells. In our 2v2 there's nothing I or my Shaman can do to the rogue when he pops it. I try to keep CoX on him but he'll pop his CoS and stealth, get another huge crit/stun on me and I'm dead. I'm pretty much incapacitated the entire fight.

So you add in CoS and Undead means they can remove all your spells and be immune to CC. Then add in being stunlocked. Warriors are just as bad if they are mace spec. Intercept, mace stun, fear immune.

I guess I am wondering how most Warlocks are able to survive versus these two classes. (I have a Gnome Warlock, BTW).

 

Calantus

You're with a resto shaman and you're an SL/SL gnome warlock alt with crappy gear? Sounds familiar somehow... oh that's right, I have one of those. :P

The World of Warcraft Armory

Yeah shaman is probably the only class that can't really help you do anything, although frost shock on the sprint when CloS is down does help a little. It was easier to deal with rogues when I was with a paladin as he could HoJ them on the sprint, though the lack of earth shield made it harder to keep up my squishy self. Basically when I see the enemy has a stealther that is likely a rogue I get ready to lose. I can CoEx kite them but really it only works if they mess up because a quick sprint or CloS or vanish lets them catch me if they are fast (no speed enchant yet). There's just really nothing you can do to an undead rogue if he can kill you fast enough, other classes you can possibly control long enough to kill them or abuse LoS or get healed through, but not a rogue.

So yeah... gear up and suffer in the mean time. :/

 

Gnomeover

From what I hear and have seen in armories and such a warlock w/ a shaman will want to go UA. Shaman is a very offensive healer being able to ES heals. I guess the theory is to get your opponent low enough then ES, Spell Lock, ES, Death Coil and your target should be dead from lack of heals.

SL/SL is a survivability build but shaman isn't a survivability partner. Just a thought to add to the table.

 

Calantus

At higher levels of gear yes but at low gear levels you can still be killed too easily by casters if you don't have SL, and since you basically lose to melee already you can't afford to lose to casters who focus you.

 

Revelations

Im about to restart with a brand new green/blue geared 70 warlock, and I want to hit arenas and bg's directly and in between I need to farm for shadowweave-set. so I thought about this spec Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft , do you think it will work alrite for farming and arena upto 1700,1800 rating? (not directly after season3 it wont be that rating but you know what I mean). Or do you think 7/41/11 is better? Im not a experienced warlock-player with I feel fel-concentration is and important skill in both grinding and pvp.

It feels that a fel-guard would do good on low level arenagames aswell as skipping the felguard for a 23/38 spec would be bad for the grinding.

Im going to aim for the season1 set directly for pure honour aswell im trying to get two season2 parts for resil. Meanwhile I will just go crazy with talasite resil/stamina gems in blues and hope for the best.

 

Nekokun

I've had this question on my mind for a while, and since this seems to be the appropriate thread I was wondering: until what level is deep destruction (shadowfury deep) viable for 2vs2 and 3vs3 arena. I have failed to find anyone who can answer this question for me so far. I know it should be viable until some level, as there are destruction warlocks in the top brackets. If this question has already been discussed, I apologize for making a useless post.

 

Silver_Surfer

It pretty much comes down to this. When facing a rogue or warrior I am pretty much useless in the arena. Especially if they are undead. My gear is getting better (940 spellpower with pet out) but I still only have 100 resilience. I have enough honor to get some of the new S3 boots/belt, etc and after 3 weeks have only earned enough arena points for the S3 gloves.

It just comes down to the rogue keeping me stun locked (even if they aren't mace specced) and CoS out of my dots. I tried running with a well geared paladin which had slightly better results. Maybe a SL/SL spec isn't right and perhaps I need to go 7/43/11?

 

Silver_Surfer

Destro locks have no DOT power to speak of. The only time I've seen a Destro lock be viable is against other locks, shadow priest or fire mages. Otherwise, you're toast.

 

Edoc

Hey. As you can see my main is a warrior and I've been leveling my lock with my brothers mage while waiting for Season 3. So I'm gonna try a Lock/Frost Mage setup for 2v2.

My thoughts are SL/SL till I get enough resilience/gear but is this a good setup?

Also for 3v3 I'm thinking of either 3 DPS (rogue) or taking a holy/disc priest (including my bro, frost mage). Any tips for running such a setup?

 

Nekokun

I honestly think you underestimate destruction, I play in the low 1800 brackets with destruction gear that only provides me with 18% crit (that's counting talents too) and I have been able to nuke down the healers with smart disrupts, fear and the silence from my felhound.

 

Cronjob

I think what he is saying is that say against a two rogue team you wont get anything off with the interrupts since you have very little dots to use. There are several other combos where that in a 2v2 atleast would make destruction not optimal.

But against a caster your nether prot will give you a slight advantage. We ran into a destro lock and all we had to do is LOS his casts. So I'd dot him up and while he was casting bolt/immo/inc I ran around something which interrupted his cast. All the time he is taking damage from my full dot rotation.

 

Morgaliel

Hello everyone. I have the same question. I recently began 2v2 with a frost mage but I am UA (11.5k 260 resil).

We have pbs figuring a good startegy, mainly because rogues and wars shut me down, not that quickly but still prevent me for doing anything else.

I of course thought about specing SL/SL but as i can read above it doesn t seem to help so much. It is fine with me as i don t enjoy its playstyle a lot.

Does somebody has a bit of advice or a link to a guide I haven't been able to find on the internet?

Should i definitively go SL/SL nonetheless?

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Optimized

I would suggest maybe speccing felguard to help against melee (or at least soul link). Against warriors make sure your mage puts him in combat with ice lance so he can't charge, and start about 10 yards away from your felguard so he can intercept. When the warrior gets on you intercept him and have your mage shatter him. If your mage lands a CS on a heal you should death coil, searing pain (shadow bolt if you think the warrior won't intercept it), shadowburn. You should be able to land a kill if your mage can CS a heal. This strategy is very strong against warrior paladin/shaman and fairly strong against warrior/priest. Druids are tougher as they dont have many heals to CS.

Against rogues wait for kidney shot then intercept-trinket-run away and see if mage can slow him. You'll just have to tank him until kidney shot though. As UA (without soul link) you might not make it that long.
From my experience with Mage/Warlock, against melee teams you'll have the attention of the other team. It's your job to keep up dots, tongues healers, manage pet, and survive long enough for your somewhat uninhibited mage to win for you.
Against caster (warlock healer) it's your turn to damage and control the other team while your mage is put on a clock with Dots. He needs to survive and Ice Block dots off fairly proactively.

 

Nekokun

I'm just gonna ask this one time to get a definite answer:

Is there any spec at all left for warlocks to spec other than SL/SL if you want to be succesful in PvP?

 

Calantus

Felguard, 5+/41+/11.

It's pretty popular in 5v5 and is working its way into 3v3. I'm not sure it has a big following in 2v2 though.

 

Nekokun

Another question, sorry they're coming in great numbers at the moment.

I do 2v2 with a resto shaman I would say he is geared out quite well, and the same goes for me.
Resto Shaman
Me

My question is simple:What is the preferred spec for this combination (I know this has been discussed, but viable points have been made on a few specs and I do not know which one to pick). And my second question on it is could that possibly go together with 3v3 with an epic-geared MS warrior.

My thanks in advance.