Razzo

Hey there,

I've always played a decent amount of PvP. I made it to rank 10 in the old system and got af few Gladiator items in season 1 in 5v5. So my Shaman buddy has been away pretty much since TBC launched and is now lvl 70. We decided to make an 2v2 team. Since i've never played a 2v2 game before I was astouned to see how much different it was from 5v5.

Anyway I was hoping some of you could get me some stories about games when you meet this combo. Of corse the Shaman could be many speccs aswell as the Warlock could. Let me hear if you have difficulites or roll over them with ease, an what makes it difficult and so on. What speccs have you succesfully played yourself and what talents not to touch.

Im well aware of this question being answered by many different people and so many different opinions aswell. What im trying to get here is merely some sort guidence on what to do with our team based on your stories and experiences.

We only played 10 games last night and lost 4 times to a Rogue/Rogue combo. My Shaman buddy just dinged and has very few HP aswell as me being affliction specced so I lack som HP myself i'd say. Anyway this combo was our most troublesome matches.

I hope you can help us out

 

Shade

Download the Tiz/Nuvas video over on warcraftmovies.com. Tiz is 41 Demonology and Nuvas is elemental/resto.

 

Noximus

Once you do get more HP and maybe some resilience, the Rogue/Rogue combo will be easy for you. I think you've got a great setup if you manage to go 6-4. You obviously have the skill but most likely some gear changes need to be made.

Have you been against a Pally/Warrior combo yet?

I personally have experience with a Warlock (Affliction) / Druid (Resto) combo. We both had full PvE gear, no resillience and experience together in PvP in the past. It is an awesome combo if you know how to work together. Your combo can most likely produce the same effect with all the totems and survivability a shaman has when he gets the right gear.

Extih <Apocalypse> - Raid Leader - 70 Warlock (Retired)
Noximus <Apocalypse> - 70 Warrior (Retired)

 

tha_bishop

The start will be really hard. The shaman will get focus fired quite alot of time and while earth shield and natures guardian are really nice, it won't help as much as you would when you have way more resilience.

 

◊ Gwaihir

Yea, shaman have a hard go surviving things like Mace warriors and Mace rogues until you really get in to arena gear. The difference once you get around 10K hp and 280+ resilience is massive though, and you'll see a large increase in your ability to tank melee classes. Casters are easier to deal with in general as a shaman, thanks to grounding and resist totems.

I have played almost exclusively warrior/shaman in 2v2, but I think that a warlock's ease of control in keeping people off the shaman with a fear/CoEx/ anything will work out very nicely. Between spell lock, deathcoil, CoT, and earthshock, an enemy healer has a hopeless task as well. Not to mention purge in addition to devour magic.

I think the only problem you'd see is people with a set of shadow gear, I know I carry a set of 300 shadow resist for spriest/warlock and warlock/healer teams.

 

jsoeph

I play warlock shaman team enhancement witn resto NS/destruction warlock. We win mostly but it's not very easy.

Funny thing is we lost only one Paladin Warrior Combo maybe because we were playing in the 1650 range and despite the obvious odd class combo we both have experience in pvp (100K each lifetime kills type of XP). The lock plays with sucubus pet and our goal is to CC one player and gib the other. With quite massive dps we get to kill players in 5-6 seconds. The positive is that our CC does not limit our dps so we can immidiately focus fire no matter what. We seduce the paladin and even if he bubbles that is 2 seconds reaction time and 2 second cast time. At the same time the warrior has usually charged me which gets him slightly out of range and dead in few seconds. Of course opening with intimidating shout might counter that but hey that's my story for now. We also lost 3 games to a rogue resto shaman combo as we could not get to the shaman on time and the rogue was getting the jump or the stun on one of us. Hope we get them again today.

 

doogless

I've played against a few Shaman/Warlock combos. The match goes as follows: I stick my pet and on Shaman and apply DoTs, my partner (Druid) and I CC the Warlock as much as possible. I Drain Mana the Shaman whenever possible. Shaman goes OOM, drops a Mana Tide Totem, I stab it, we win.

I'm not sure what combos Shaman/Warlock does well against, but Druid/Warlock isn't one of them.

 

Wrylock

I 2v2 with a shaman and find it to be a challenging setup. Resto=outlast team, Ele(enhance too I guess)=instagib team. We ran the outlast version until my partner got enough dmg gear to go ele. My partner is still learning the shaman class(still first few months of being a shaman) and we're still learning how to play together but I can see the potential for greatness.

Everyone has seen Epiphany and how a good Ele/demo team works thanks to Tiz n Nuvas. http://www.worldofming.com's article on Shaman/lock has some insight for a Resto/afflict setup.

And yes, Doog, Druid/lock destroys us currently. We struggle with any good resto druid, not sure if it's from lack of purging hots or what.

 

Tutanka

A Shaman can mitigate a huge amount of a warlocks DPS and CC with rank one earth shock and grounding totem, they are also very dificult to fear effectivly.

Purging HOT's against a Druid is bad news becaue Lifebloom is almost free to cast and purging it causes the final tick to hit automatically.

The Shaman + Lock should be able to win in a war of atrition, not because the shaman outheals the Druid, but because the lock on his team simply does more damage.

 

Kegsta

Note: Im a fairly terrible PvPer, and most of my teams victorys come from grouping with an extremely talented partner.

I've only just recently set up this macro to help me shock the healers.
/stopcasting
/cast [target=focus] Earth Shock(Rank 1)


I run an affliction lock Ele sham team; our highest last year was 2160. And that was a lock without any arena or honour gear and my shammy only had 2 pieces. as soon as season 2 hit we now have much better gear (lock had 75k honour and 2k arena points) I now have 2 sets of 2 arena pieces.

This season were concentrating on 3v3 as waiting 10 minutes in queue to get rogue/holy priest a 3rd time in a row were we have no chance is demoralising.

Its a decent team, I’ve partnered with a demo lock early when I was noob but I find affliction to be so much more suited to this team, amped agony, howl of terror, unstable affliction, exhaustion, siphon life, nightfall, dark pact are all game winners in one way or another, all demo is bringing is massive survivability at the cost of massive utility. Sure the fel guard is good, but spell lock and devour is so much better. Instead of firing shadow bolts when heroism is up, DRIAIN LIFE. It's crazy and makes a LOT of nightfall procs.

My major problems
- 100-300g a week in respecs
- Elemental shields being bugged and not proccing eye of the storm when your crit is a big problem ATM.
- Melee with much better pings than me can run through any CL/LB I cast, effectively leaving me with shocks, lightning shield and flametounge for damage.
- Any holy priest team can effectively destroy any of my totems with his mace while he heals at full capacity.

Anyhow this is how we usually go vs. different teams.

Warrior/Paly - I unload everything on him ELE mastery CL, NS LB, ES (if he attacks me he also cops a 600 LS which is nice) lock hits him with amped COA (MUST STOP THE CHARGE), corruption and spell locks the palys first heal = dead warrior.
This was probably a 70/30 win loss for us, we lose when paly or warrior uses heavy shadow resist, or we get chain mace stunned, or when we fight a really good American warrior who can stop any of my casts by running through me (me @ 600 ping doesn't help)

Shadow Priest / Warlock - I now have about 250 shadow resist from about 6 green pieces of gear. Before I had this I would die so quickly it wasn't funny. If they try and nuke my lock buddy he just spell stones and I heal him.

Holy Priest + Rogue - this is by far our hardest combo, and we have lost many 25-30 points to this very common team because there’s just nothing we can do, Prayer of mending spam bouncing around healing 2k a bounce counteracts any dots we have, we cannot nuke the rogue because of cloak. If I try and heal my lock partner its instant loss (trading my 400 mana for 800 health on my lock isn't that useful) 1/2 of these combos are double undead or dwarf priest, so fear is practically useless. And trying to nuke down a 12k HP holy priest in full gladiator just doesn't happen unless he’s terrible.
We win about 10% of these games.

Warrior/Priest
Fairly similar to rogue priest except warriors are nukable where rogues are not, probably about 50/50

Lock + healer
Depending on the healer depends a lot, druids can be feared pretty easily, as can palys, and with my shadow resist we can last a long time. Priest however, we have no chance. A few mana burns into me and I’m gone.

Lock + Mage
Another very hard combo for us, as they both can wipe our main source of damage out (Dots) they are 99% demo + frost mage, its a very difficult fight, we've found the trick to winning is relying on direct damage more than our dots. I go all out at the start, usually on the mage as he can’t heal at all, warlock spams shadowburns on him when he can. Our #1 target is the water elemental; it's very weak and does way to much damage/cc to be left alone. If we let them come to us, and they have 1/2 a brain, one of us is CCed constantly while they go 2v1 with double pet smashing someone into the ground.

Rogue / Rogue
Used to be hard, now the trinket can break sap/blind they are a little easier but still very strong. Poison cleansing and healing is useless against them, Nuke Nuke Nuke and hope they go for me instead of my lock buddy as I have 50% melee reduction from AC, while he has none.

 

Siddown

Not too plug other sites, but World of Ming has an "article" written by GeeCee, an Orc Elemental/Resto Shaman who teams with an Afflication Lock. Ignoring the ego in the article, the part about how they traded off CoEx and Frost Shock to beat a Rogue/Resto Druid combo was interesting.

They went from 1500 to 2160 and 1st in BG9 in 6 hours.

 

Kegsta

Interesting read, hes from my server, mutilate rogues are still our main problem, guess we just need more resilence.

 

wow

I've played this combo quite a bit (the Tiz&Nuvas style of it almost exactly) and pretty much gave up on it. We peaked at 2018 last season though we didnt really play that much, took about 100 games. It works well, but if the other team is healer+dps and the healer is anything other than a paladin & they don't suck you're usually in for a rough ride, and rogues who are smart enough to stay on the warlock are impossible to beat.

The best 2v2 combo for shamans is definitely resto shaman/warlock whos coe/sl or affliction.

 

Razzo

Thank you all for sharing your stories and thoughts about it. I've been on vacation so haven't been able to respond earlier.

 

ninielin

Well earth shield is one amazing talent to have especially when pairing with a demono lock. Allow you to have some burst instead of just playing with dots and on top of that you can get healed even if your shaman is CCed.

As far as the video linked earlier, I think pretty much everyone should be able to show videos of them owning really crappy players.