telcontar

I'm not a priest, so I may be missing something important, but why not 1/3 Inspiration as dispel fodder? When someone's getting focused and purged, the more trash buffs that are up, the better, right?

 

Calantus

Priests have very low crit and the only healing spells used that CAN crit are flash heal and greater heal. Typically as a priest most of your healing is done through renew, ProM, and PW:S of which none can crit. That's why it's much less useful than ancestral healing from a shaman, if they are healing they're casting spells that can crit the whole time.

 

spiderella

I'd really appreciate advice / opinions about how much +healing gearing/enchanting/gemming people go for, on my alt I've stacked straight stamina and resilience and while I'm nearly resilience capped and at 10.5k HP, my +healing (and regen) is pretty abysmal (+1200 / 100 in combat). What should I be aiming for, and should I sacrifice some resilience and stamina to get there?

 

Deris

I've only been stacking Resil/Stam - nothing else really matters imo, because I'm always focused. Sure my healing isn't going to be earth shattering, but I figure 1400ish healing is more than enough once I get S3 mace and enchant it.

 

Thorongil

That´s what I do also. You´re going to be main target for most of the physical-DDs and healpower doesn´t scale that well with instants, so some 100 Healpower more or less isn´t going to save you normally, whereas one more Crit might just be enough to take you down or bring you in execute-range. Especially since the end of season 2 many priests seem to be concerned with manareg in arenas. Though, I´ll keep stacking Resilience gems in yellows and stam/resilience-gems in blue-sockets (also, because at least I found a use for Talasites). Only on items with a good socket-bonus (like S2/S3-robe) I´d consider putting a royal nightseye in to get it. But otherwise, I see no point in stacking manareg when some random warri in S2-gear will kill me in many cases before I even come near to going oom.

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Elerion

Typically, the bigger the bracket the less useful anything but stam/res becomes. This is both because games become more bursty and less individual endurance in bigger brackets, and because priests have increasingly offensive (non-healing) roles in bigger brackets.

Small bracket players can be well served by gemming/enchanting for some healing power.

 

Sindrath

Great thread with some excellent information, I've followed it closely for the past few weeks as I decided to get my 42 Belf Priest to 70 (I finally got it today). I'm going straight into a 5v5, the set up will be MS Warrior, Holy Paladin, Elemental Shaman and SL/Felguard Warlock all with alot of S2 gear. My primary roll being offensive/defensive dispelling and mana burning. After reading some of the comments here, I'm interested to know what people would think what are the key talents in a build for a sub-geared Priest with this role? Obviously gearing up is going to take some time and BG Grind, but I don't want to be going in and having no-fun-at-all.

 

Abakus

Well, you will probably want all the survivability-talents you can get

Maybe something like WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Priest -> Talent Calculator

You could always swap points between Absolution, Silent Resolve and imp. PW:Shield as you wish, but take everything that helps you survive.

 

crimsonsentinel

You should probably go BR because at low levels of resillience it will actually end up being a lot more damage reduction than FW. Plus, you will have healing talents that will partially compensate for low +heal.

 

Thorongil

Personally I´d put the points from imp PW:Shield into Silent Resolve. You will be purged/dispelled if you´re focused and resisted dispells on shield/innerFire come in quite handy there.

@Crimsonsentinel: I also considered giving that advice for a moment, but after thinking about it, it doesn´t seem viable at all. Especially if you´re weak on gear you can´t drop the survivability you get from deep disc for one single talent, that is procc-based. Sure, 60 % isn´t little, but you still can get 5 crits in a row without it proccing. Furthermore, BR can simply be dispelled. And you won´t have need of that much +heal, especially not in 5v5. You´ll never be the main healer, you´re more of a support (dispelling, mana-burning, stepping in if heal is needed) class in 5v5. Also, you´re most-used spells (PoM, PW:S) are instants and thus don´t profit that much from +heal. I´d definitely NOT recommend deep holy for 5v5.

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• caladein

I don't think he meant deep Holy, but the old cookie-cutter 28/33/0.

If you know you're going to get popped, the bit of time from SoR can be rather helpful. That said, deep Disc offers quite a bit of support outside your own tanking ability so I would still say it's categorically better than 28/33/0.

 

Thorongil

By deep-holy I meant 28/33, of course, since no reasonable priest will go into arena with the PvE-deep-holy. I´m sorry if it was not formulated clearly. 28/33 is more of a BG-specc maybe (though you really don´t need any specific specc to do BGs normally), a hybrid between pve- and pvp-specc, whereas deep-disc is nearly completely focused on PvP (though PS or PI might also be useful in PvE), thus also providing better abilities especially in arenas.

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Cob-

I'm finding it a lot harder to survive against warriors this season. With a windfury, all of the armor reduction, and a season 3 weapon, they can literally kill you in 2 auto attacks. Every game we lose the warrior swapped to me with full rage bar and a windfury weapon buff. Sure.. Pain Supression helps but the smart players wait until those 8 seconds are over, or make you use it early.

3v3ing as a Holy Priest without a Poly and or Cyclone just isn't feasible this season. If you hit the 1900 bracket and play without a constant control on the Warrior- good luck.

 

Sindrath

Thanks for the information. In the end I decided that while I was undergeared Enlightenment would provide some well needed boost to my stamina (8271k HP at the moment self buffed) while I was rolling in "of the Physician" greens. Aswell as some points in Blessed Recovery to help compliment self-Renews and finally the left over points in PW:S.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

On another note, after previously playing a Hunter I didn't use a great deal of AddOns... mainly just Quartz to ensure I wasn't clipping my Auto Shot. I've done a few searches but didn't find a solid compilation of posts on "Essential Priest PVP AddOns" if anyone has any recommendations.

 

SensenmanN

Spell penetration wand or 15 more healing?

 

Hudini

Its also worth mentioning that you don't HAVE to start a 2v2 in shadowform. I'm still a newbie in arenas, but anecdotally, I seem to get focussed a lot less when I start in regular form. I think most teams see a non-shadowform priest and automatically assume I'm disc and will be a pain to take down. Though, this trick is only going to last so long.

 

Rej

Worth trying, although it's rather expensive to shift back into SF.

 

syeren

That's a horrible spec, 3/3 Blessed Recovery is pointless too :p

My spec on the last page should serve you, if you have gear problems, remove the points from Focused Will and put them in Enlightenment :p

 

Benjamin

Enlightenment over Focused Will? Uhh, no.

If you're taking more than 30 points in Disc, Focused Will is a no-brainer. If you're undergeared, 28/33 will likely be better, as others in this thread have mentioned, but under no circumstances should you drop Focused Will for Enlightenment.

 

Psilux

I've been considering a new build for pvp. My guild leader suggested this: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft It includes pain suppression (arguably overpowered), improve mana burn (makes it a 2 sec cast), imp mass dispel (perfect for 3v3 or 5v5), Focused Will (not a good talent for people under resilience cap, but awesome if you are over), Reflective shield (great for any arenas), and spell warding (this affects SW: D damage received by you). This build really provides the priest with a great amount of stamina, decent offensive capabilities, and even some defensive powers.

Once you get into 5v5s or you have over 400 resilience, this is definitely a build worth looking into.

The reason everyone is pushing 28/33/0 is because it works, it's a cookie cutter build, and provides you with an improved mass dispel, while still allowing you to go far enough in the holy tree to get blessed resilience (which doesn't sound to great, but is an AWESOME power to have). Blessed resilience is definitely the way to go until you pick up over 400 resilience, when you can finally start thinking about other builds like the one I have above.

 

Rej

It's not so far off from the other spec. He trades Greater Heals for improved survivability. Not a trade-off I would make, but maybe his situation warrants it. I wouldn't say it's "horrible" without knowing his situation first.

 

Suesse

Why so many points in holy crit... you don't even have inspiration? Is improved divine spirit really worth it in pvp gear?

 

Psilux

imp:ds isnt really for me, its for my dps counterpart. Crit is basically for those heals that I am giving up on for not going further down the holy tree.

 

syeren

I'm just going from my experience of talking to under geared Priests, basically none of them want to go BR anymore, and heh, experience shows

 

Sindrath

The situation I'm in is that of being severely undergeared and starting to farm BG Non-Set Epics aswell as getting in the obligatory 200 point arenas per week. I'm wearing mostly greens at the moment and I generally PuG BG's with a Paladin Friend of mine and a Warrior. I'm not using cast-time heals at all really, the Paladin takes care of that. I'm Renewing, Shielding, Dispelling, PrOM'ing, Mana Burning and generally being focused. So I'm not getting the chance to heal, I'm just doing my best to survive. It seems to be working ok at the moment, but I'm open to criticsm. I'd prefer some explanation on that criticsm rather than "thats hopeless" and "thats pointless" if possible. I only ask because I'm new to this and eager to learn.

Thanks