My specc is basically built for having the maximum buffs on myself in case of being mained in 5v5's.

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Having rank 1 Blessed Recovery seems like a nice idea (from my pov.), since it protects your more important buffs from being dispelled (or having a good chance of doing it with 4/5 Silent Resolve).

One thing i haven't concidered is switching my [Powerful Earthstorm Diamond] for [Insightful Earthstorm Diamond].. Is it really worth losing the +5% stun resist for the mana proccs?

Im interested in this as well as i have this decision to make soon, except i am not that well geared. Would the mana procs be worth it over the stam and stun resists (not to mention large number of rogues in lower brackets) for a priest 9k hp unbuffed, 200 resi.

I also run with 1/3 Blessed Recovery for the extra dispel protection. Along with Holy Nova (R2 especially for snakes) they are too points just too useful to swap in my eyes.

As for the meta gems, Stun Resist is nice, but I don't really count many games were being stunned has lead to deaths (at the marginal level, they are quite effective at increasing health deficits that can get exploited later on). The MSD has begun to lose out because I rarely seem to get a .75s Flash Heal off when I'd like to. The IED attacks a cause of death the most controllably, going out of mana, which is why its become so popular as the past few months.

I also like the extra health from the [Powerful Earthstorm Diamond]. i'm actually thinking of getting Spellsurge to my wep instead of the healing enchant for the extra mana regen. Spellsurge also gives mana back to the other casters. From what I read, Spellsurge is a 2 proc/minute @ about a 15% chance, and the meta gem is a 2% chance with no hidden cooldown. I could be wrong here. Assuming that the info I have is right, I'd rather have the stun resist and stam and get my bonus mana regen from Spellsurge. My job is to tank mostly not heal and spellsurge gives mana back to my pally who can then keep me up longer.

What do you people think?

Insightful Earthstorm Diamond was buffed recently. It's 5% chance to proc now, with no cooldown.

Oh, and spellsurge has a cooldown. Can't remember exact number, but I belive it's 45 secs?

CasterWeaponSwapper, the mod that autoswaps your spellsurge/regular weapons, waits 50 seconds after a proc before swapping your spellsurge weapon back in, so the hidden cooldown is almost definitely 45- 50s. (Tangential rant: the spellsurge tooltip estimating a 3% chance to proc is blatantly misleading - worse than failing to provide relevant information is providing plain wrong information. How hard is it to make the tooltip say e.g. "Enchants your melee weapon to have a 15% chance on successful spellcast of restoring 100 mana over 10 seconds to the party. (45 Sec Cooldown)")

Those links would be more confusing than helpful I'm afraid. First of all, the comments on spellsurge is outdated, it was nerfed ages ago from 30 seconds cooldown to 45-50. Secondly, the spell information on inghtful earthstorm diamond says both 2% and 5% chance to proc, the 5% figure is correct.

I am planning to PvP with a feral druid - 2v2 arena. We are not planning to be the best just competitive and fun.
I was thinking Shadow Priest with some points in holy or disc to increase survivability with Resilience/Sta gear.
-> I dug up this build posted on page 18: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
-> Would this be a viable build for this purpose? Any alterations?
-> Is the logic for not going more points in Holy and less in Disc that PW:S is just too easily dispelled?
-> Otherwise I was thinking: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
-> Makes my spells less dispellable and adds an extra dimension with Mana Burn

Or would it better to go deep Discipline and just soak up the dmg from the DPS and support the druid?

Is there a better setup for Druid/Priest? Like is it better for the druid to go resto in such a 2-person setup?

Never having played shadow in arena I can´t really give you advice to this. One thing I can tell you is, that Disc-Priest + Feral can be a viable setup in general but you probably won´t see any high ratings due to the restrictions a feral has in terms of arena. SP+Feral could be a better setup since the burst is quite high and you do have some quite reasonable healer-cc on the table.

In short: Does it make any sense to mana burn a felhunter early in a game (2v2) to prevent it from eating all your buffs/spell lock? Or is the regen for a felhunter too high for it to make a differnence?

Mana Feed will restore mana to the Felhunter every time the Warlock Life Taps. If the Warlock didn't take Mana Feed, he's not very smart, and that's not an unreasonable strategy.

Yeah, it's certainly a bit of a gamble to try and Mana Burn a Felhunter because of their obscene resistance. I'd be more inclined go with PIed Smites (no holy resistance) to try to kill the little bastard instead of trying to drain its mana. Combine that with a quick target swap to the pet from your partner (assuming it's a physical DPS class) after you've softened it up and you should be able to burn them down, although I've never seen a Priest team try to do this to me - I'm not sure if that's because it's not a good idea, or because few people think to try it. Has anyone had experience trying to nuke a Felhunter as a Priest? Obviously you'd need to draw it behind a pillar while your partner distracts the other team, and wait until it eats a buff to put up PWS so you can actually get some smites off.

Something ive noticed is that in this thread there is no mention (or so i think) of the 43/5/13 spec:

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It has quite a few advantages for primarily the smaller brackets and the sacrifises you make in the holy school arent so bad. Greater heals are hardly cast by priests, and 10% less magic damage you can live without.

Benefits are 10% stun on shadow spells, which is pretty nifty.

But the biggest thing is 24 sec cooldown on your fear (glove bonus) which is super handy.

I see more and more priests switching to this build, and havent seen it in this thread, so wanted to share it here.

I like the idea, but I don't understand the 2 points in Enlightenment. IMO those 2 points are better spent in Spell Warding.

That's a lot of points to spend for a 4s shorter cooldown on Fear. Do you just spam rank 1 SW:P when you have free global cooldowns, to hope for a blackout proc?

The build I am currently using is 33 disc/28 holy here. It has Focused Will (a truly amazing pvp talent, vastly better than Blessed Resilience once you have a reasonable amount of resilience), but it keeps the 20% cheaper Prayer of Mending talent, as well as +6% to all heals (3/5 spiritual healing), and Improved Death.

I know most arena priests are 41 disc, but you really eat a heavy efficiency loss by giving up 20% prayer of mending (which I use practically every time it recharges) and no points in spiritual healing. Whether you need the 2.5s cast Greater Heal and 15% cheaper Greater Heal talents seems to be a matter of taste, but I personally do get away with enough Greater Heals that I still think it's worth it. I can see how if you weren't able to use Greater Heal much, it wouldn't make sense to spend much in holy, and full disc would be more appealing.

I don't think Power Infusion is that great a 31 point talent (and your team really needs a mage or elemental shaman to make the best use of it), and you have to spend 5 points in the less than stellar Mental Strength to get it. Pain Suppression is of course amazingly good, but it's a question of whether those 8 seconds are better than the efficiency gains you can get by stopping at Focused Will and spending the rest of your points in holy.

I gave 45/5/13 (not exactly the same as the above build) a try a couple of weeks ago and after a nights worth of arena I was a satisfied convert. The four seconds off fear doesn't sound like much on paper but in practice it's quite a lot. We run a very cc focused game in our priest/rogue combo and the shorter fear cooldowns are a massive help. The effect is also a cumulative one if you abuse it; your second fear will be four seconds earlier talented, your third fear will be 8 seconds earlier etc. The blackout stuns are certainly helpful when they happen but not something you should count on. Mindflay is extremely helpful depending on your play style; if against healer/dps we usually like to begin the match defensively and let their dps come to us with the aim of luring them out of healer los. Being able to deny them quick acess to healer los is just one example of mindlflay's use. Slowing a kite down so your partner can catch up is also nice.

My last two pvp respecs have been to an even more offensive trispec, ending up at 35/5/21. Silence has been a huge boon to our play style and has left me feeling very much in control of enemy healers/casters. I was extremely skeptical about giving up PS at first (for obvious reasons) but again, playing with the spec for hours on end has left me satisfied with the trade offs. Being able to chain a sap - blind - fear - silence - mc - fear is huge, that's all I can really say. I originally specced 34/5/22 for VE but found that to be a wasted talent point and dropped it.

When taking these opinions into consideration bear in mind that I mainly just 2v2 now, even though it is a hideous bracket (I feel that no bracket is close to balanced, 2v2 is just easier to organise). On the rare occasions that I do play 5v5 I'd still go a heavy disc/holy build and leave the trispec alone.

Yes, the exact spec may vary depending on preference, as long as you take the big things.

I have been thinking about silence too, but i dont think i can give up Pain Suppresion.

Four seconds of fear is alot, especially in cc heavy teams like hunter /priest and rogue/priest (i play both)

I dont spam rank1 dot, but its nice when it happens on mindflays or SW:P. You could i guess if you have gcd spare, but I generally dont.


Edit;Edited for spelling.

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This is the build I had before I had to go back to disc/holy for my 5v5. Also, for those interested, take a look at Nhem's movies on warcraftmovies.com. I believe this spec has become more popular after his release of the latest arena video.

Also, gryn, you might wanna edit your post for grammar before a mod sees you

I been leveling a priest for a pvp healer, and aint sure what build to go for come 70.

One I was thinking off looks like this
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Also, I heard not to get blessed recovery because its trash. Any truth in that?

That's the whole reason to get Blessed Recovery(1/3).

I run 41/8/12 in various 3-healer drain setups and find it very effective.

Anyone got some advice for 2dps teams in 2v2? I'm down pretty fast and I feel I could do more to stay up. Specifically mage/rogue teams. Pillaring the mage is hard with all the poisons im lubed up in and if I get stunned and nova'd its game over. When, ideally, should I pop trinket and run away? Should I stay defensive or be in there dispelling shields and fearing? I run with a warlock so I'd assume staying close by for fears on rogue would help.