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Old 07/31/07, 8:29 AM   #1
Sniddie
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Changing gear in Arenas, good or bad?

First of all, i have read alot about that "next patch you wont be able to change gear in arenas", but i have never seen any official facts on it, nor is it like that on the current PTR. So would be appreciated if someone would post me a official statement link or likewise.

Let's say it IS coming, is it good?

I for one think its a bad thing, for my rogue atleast, not so much for my priest. For my rogue to be able to start the fight in full PvE dps gear, and once evasion/cloak is burned and still being focused just run of vanish and go full resilience gear makes me feel so much more useful. The amount of DPS i output in full PvE gear is insane, if they don't focus me they are going to lose one person pretty fast.

Compare that to only always running PvP resilience gear, then im a pretty worthless clown.

Maby its the resistance gear that makes gear swapping totally imbalanced, but i really hope gear switching stays in the arena, it adds so much more depth to the rock/paper/scissor game.

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Old 07/31/07, 8:41 AM   #2
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Regardless of the loss of a dynamic/dimension to PvP, I don't think it's fair or reasonable to expect PvPers to collect multiple gearsets for PvP.

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Old 07/31/07, 8:48 AM   #3
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I think it's good. If it makes locks/spriest team even more powerful, it's Blizard's mistake.
Gearing midfight depending on the enemy once you see them takes away all the sense of competitiveness and fair play.

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Old 07/31/07, 9:10 AM   #4
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If you can't use pots in an Arena and you can't use 30-minute talents, then swopping gear out seems a bit hypocritical to me. Why not just let the person have a trainer right there in the starting area so one can respec in order to maximize the chance of a win?

if Blizz is indeed making the move, kudos to them. If anything, it adds a degree of strategy to an Arena match because you'll have to make that decision to go full dps gear or full resistance/resilience gear.

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Old 07/31/07, 9:20 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Randor View Post
If you can't use pots in an Arena and you can't use 30-minute talents, then swopping gear out seems a bit hypocritical to me. Why not just let the person have a trainer right there in the starting area so one can respec in order to maximize the chance of a win?

if Blizz is indeed making the move, kudos to them. If anything, it adds a degree of strategy to an Arena match because you'll have to make that decision to go full dps gear or full resistance/resilience gear.
You can't really compare gear to 30-minute cooldowns, selecting the gear is a BIG part of wow. If you can't swap gear it will just end up everyone running around in the same gear, Arena+Honor epics. Very interesting, or not.

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Old 07/31/07, 9:24 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Sniddie View Post
You can't really compare gear to 30-minute cooldowns, selecting the gear is a BIG part of wow. If you can't swap gear it will just end up everyone running around in the same gear, Arena+Honor epics. Very interesting, or not.
Because, ya'know, farming shadow resist gear means being competitive.

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Old 07/31/07, 9:29 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Sniddie View Post
If you can't swap gear it will just end up everyone running around in the same gear, Arena+Honor epics. Very interesting, or not.
Wouldn't that leave skill (and a little luck) as the deciding factor in many games?

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Old 07/31/07, 9:43 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Randor View Post
Wouldn't that leave skill (and a little luck) as the deciding factor in many games?
It's still just Rock/Paper/Scissors, there is no "balance". Only "balance" is when Paper meats Paper.

If they want everyone to have equal gear, just give everyone who enters arena the same outfit, voila, fixed.

WoW consists of farming gear, running instances, doing battlegrounds, removing the opportunity to change gear is like making a total new game.

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Old 07/31/07, 9:47 AM   #9
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I think it really hurts druids. Being able to switch from resto to feral gear saved a win a few times. For that matter most hybrid healers are going to feel the sting when it gets down to 1v1.

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Old 07/31/07, 9:55 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Randor View Post
If you can't use pots in an Arena and you can't use 30-minute talents, then swopping gear out seems a bit hypocritical to me. Why not just let the person have a trainer right there in the starting area so one can respec in order to maximize the chance of a win?

if Blizz is indeed making the move, kudos to them. If anything, it adds a degree of strategy to an Arena match because you'll have to make that decision to go full dps gear or full resistance/resilience gear.

If you can get out of combat to drink, you should be able to get out of combat and swap gear. I don't think swapping to full resist sets should be allowed, but the fix to that problem should not be to entirely get rid of gear swapping.

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Old 07/31/07, 9:59 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Sniddie View Post
removing the opportunity to change gear is like making a total new game.
Considering the arenas have restrictions on use of some talents, and consumables, the "rules have already been broken". You can't change gear in combat, only weapons, so in my view, that's how Arenas should be. Less emphasis on gear controlling a fight and more on teamwork, coordination, specs and team makeup.

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Old 07/31/07, 10:00 AM   #12
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As a mage, I would absolutely love to be able to put on SR gear and beat SL locks as a matter of routine, but I don't know if it would be fair.

Warlocks/shadowpriests would have to put in some +spell penetration gems into their gear to combat resists, as their damage is nearly completely from the shadow school.

I don't see stacking frost resistance as a problem, literally 40% or so of all Arena mages with a rating above 1750 have a natural 10 spell penetration, and another 80 or so wouldn't be crippling.

Having massive spirit gear for evocation/los-hide-drink-time is in my opinion no problem at all.

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Old 07/31/07, 10:02 AM   #13
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Still no one has answered if it actually WILL come, or any blue post which says it will.

Does anyone have any info?

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Old 07/31/07, 10:12 AM   #14
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I know I wish I could put on my 10,000 armor cloth gear vs those warrior/whatever combos.

Allowing people to change gear sets gives certain teams serious advantages in arena without allowing for the same tactics to be used against them. It's hardly fair or balanced. As someone already mentioned, farming a green set of SR gear doesn't take any skill but it will make a match trivial.

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Old 07/31/07, 10:17 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Sniddie View Post
Still no one has answered if it actually WILL come, or any blue post which says it will.

Does anyone have any info?
It is on the PTR and there has been no mention of the change being removed any time in the future, so I would assume that as soon as patch 2.2 is released you will no longer be able to swap gear in the arena.

I don't really like this change, because it means I can't swap to regen gear if I'm up against an outlast team. This strategy has saved me a number of times, getting out of combat for 0.5 seconds to swap a few pieces of gear is much easier than getting out of combat for 10 seconds to drink.

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