Good point with haste. :p

You could perhaps treat haste like something else. Either turn 1% hunter haste into a .3% damage boost for pet (following the pet = 30% of hunter stat gain trend for AP, armor, and stamina) or some AP conversion.

Then you wouldn't have the pushback problems.

Most classes have some sensible pushback prevention talent, though. (Not hunters, of course

Do you think that Blizzard should put 1-41 yards on Hunter Attacks onto the PTR and truly see what that would do? I mean, go to the extreme and pull back to see where a good place would be. 1-41 yards does help solve one of the two fundamental issues which is LOS around pillars and such.

I think they should replace a useless talent like Concussive Barrage with a talent that prevents Steady Shot pushback.

I think steady shot should have no pushback innately, although a talent to do that would be better than nothing.

I wish they would just change Steady shot to get rid of shot rotations.... make it an "On next attack" ability like Raptor or Heroic strike or something.....

...the reason Blizzard wouldn't do this because then the faster the weapon the better for DPS. Unless of course it somehow scaled with weapon speed and then slower weapons would be better because they would consume less mana.

They can fix that w/ mechanics that are alrdy in place..... Make it based on weapon dmg +100% weapon dmg or something, then make the mana cost scale according to the weapon speed like Shiv(?) does, that would completely remove the weapon speed problem from hunters...... the only other real problem to deal w/ is the pushing auto shot back w/ instants..... which you can fix by either removing the .5 sec hidden CD(allowing hunters to shoot while running could possibly fix their arena problems) or lower it to a .1 sec hidden cd to prevent on the run shots.

I don't find myself using steady that often. Even when I'm not under focus, I have so many things to spend my GCD on (arcane, multi, traps, silence, scatter, trinkets, viper, mark, fd, etc...) not to mention repositioning constantly.

I wish they restored aimed shots pre-bc burst, as a reward for it's longer cast time. <900 non-crit damage for a cast time of ~3.5sec+ has to have the worst cast time to damage ratio out of any spell. It would be nice to have a choice between burst damage and steady damage (pun not intended).

For awhile in Beta(BC) Aimed Shot actually scaled w/ our AP.... something like +720Dmg and 20% of your RAP, but I guess like several of our talents it was "overpowered" for lvl 67 Pvp w/ no resilience.

Hunters already "stutter" step. Get an auto shot bar, and stutter for half a second right before it finishes.

If you didn't know yet, the 1 yard min range was a bug.

WoW Forums -> Hunter 1 Yard Min Ranged Attack Is Idiotic!

True statement, but .5 seconds is a lot longer then .1 when all you would have to do with .1 is literally stop pressing the key and then press it again.

Our auto shot damage can't be pushed back, so technically 50% of our damage is already immune to pushback. That's probably why they won't add anything to help out steady shot or aimed shot.

That's already true. Take a BM spec and enter it into Cheeky's spread sheet. Then switch between the Wolf Slayer (or Don Santos') and just about any other weapon available. At 2.7s, they out DPS every weapon until you reach Hyjal/BT. When the bow off Vashj is not an upgrade for BM hunters from a damn Karazhan drop, something is already very wrong.

I was meaning that it would exacerbate the problem.

Rifle of the Stoic Guardian at one end and Grand Marshal's Heavy Crossbow at the other. At least you can do competitive damage with a 2.8 or 2.9 speed weapon compared to the Wolfslayer.

Archimonde or Illidan bow's are not upgrades for me over Wolfslayer. In fact I'd lose about 50 dps.

Lets try to remember this is about Hunters in Arena, Illidan's bow is about the most rigged thing you can get for Arena as a hunter.

True, MeCh. The mechanics are still screwed up even though it doesn't matter a lot in pvp it still is an issue. Everyone with above 200 ms will have a huge drop in their dps in arenas as well as pve with current system unless they predict each steady shot which isnt really possible as a human in arena.

Personally, i just dont understand the obsession with 3.0 speed weapons blizzard has shown with the last 6 or 7 ranged weapons they released? On top of my head its only arc steam pistol thats not 3.0 and legionkiller which is 2.9 aka not much better. I dont see any specc that 3.0 fits. Mm wants 3.4 preferably, BM wants 2.6 or 2.7 if you have high ping (myself usually runs with 50-60) and surv around 1.8-1.9 depending on specc (barrage or not decides).
I could mention rifle of stoic guardian but most guilds seem to give them to tanks just because its dodge on it.
I had hopes they would differentiate the speed now that they gave us a arena bow and gun but all they did is made 1 dmg difference between min and max dmg on the bow which i dont really see any reason for. If they would have any insight into hunter mechanics they would put one of them at 2.6-2.7 and the other at 1.8-1.9. That would give every specc an valid option.

I do understand the reason behind Wolfslayer Sniper Rifle being better without the haste rating to bring slower bows you mentioned down to the ideal speed for a Beastmaster Hunter.

What I'm wondering though is, do you use the Wolfslayer Sniper Rifle in the arena because of it's speed. Because when I'm playing with a Beastmaster build in the arena I often find myself spamming a Steadyshot rotation when burning a target down. From that logic a Wolfslayer Sniper Rifle would be the better choice for arena. Where for a Marksman other slower options are obviously something to aim for.

The reason I ask this is because I'm trying to maximize my own performance as well and although you said that it does not matter alot in pvp a final answer would help me alot (if you indeed play a Beastmaster in arena games as well, because that might not be the case). If you would be able to answer the question either way, it would be appreciated.