Draw in Arena

Borland · 10/01/07, 8:41 AM

Yesterday i had a fun sight - we finished arena this way :

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Basicly two rogues stunlock + adrenaline rush killed my priest while i was chain blinded/chain gouged.
After that i killed one (i am frost mage) and almost killed the other. Bad timing led to a stunlock on my when the second approached and then when i was dead i saw him falling dead too in the same second.
My elemental bolt killed him while he was landing his last Eviscarate - that led to a Draw.

Icetro · 10/01/07, 8:54 AM

I've seen this happen once before, landing a SW: Death (holy powah!) right as the mean ol' warrior executed me for eleventy billion.

It's sort of frustrating I suppose, but it's a "eh, what can you do" moment. It's probably better than /rolling to see which team wins.

pheno · 10/01/07, 8:59 AM

Is a draw as a result really something new to you?

roquer · 10/01/07, 9:43 AM

Originally Posted by pheno

Is a draw as a result really something new to you?

It is to me. Thanks for posting OP!

Symbul · 10/01/07, 9:49 AM

Happened early on for us and only once. Think it was my season 1 lineup of Ele Shaman, Holy Priest, Holy Pal (moi) and double Hunter. :> Last hunter melted from dots just as he killed a Warlock or something like that.

That was a fun lineup to play in BEA sometimes but ultimately not terribly successful. :> I was actually Ret for the first two weeks, we started a lot of games 5v4 basically from the silly amount of burst we had. Ah good old season 1 in dungeon blues (and naxx gear)...

TheCutlery · 10/01/07, 10:28 AM

I don't mind the almost simultaneous kill shots, but I had one where it was my warrior vs another, I physically pressed the button that killed her (execute) and then AFTER her corpse hit the floor, I bled to death from the deep wounds, and we were credited a draw. That was frustrating. It was seriously 2-3 seconds after the execute, but before the result window came up.

Shandara · 10/01/07, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

I don't mind the almost simultaneous kill shots, but I had one where it was my warrior vs another, I physically pressed the button that killed her (execute) and then AFTER her corpse hit the floor, I bled to death from the deep wounds, and we were credited a draw. That was frustrating. It was seriously 2-3 seconds after the execute, but before the result window came up.

Frustrating, but fair.

Obviously there needs to be a certain window of time to account for lag/sync and such. I've always wondered how big the window is though? I've had 2 draws in all my arena games ever and it always seemed like 2 or 3 seconds maximum as well. Good enough to get one tick of an ability.

pheno · 10/01/07, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by roquer

It is to me. Thanks for posting OP!

Welcome to the arena!

Xelopheris · 10/01/07, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

Frustrating, but fair.

Obviously there needs to be a certain window of time to account for lag/sync and such. I've always wondered how big the window is though? I've had 2 draws in all my arena games ever and it always seemed like 2 or 3 seconds maximum as well. Good enough to get one tick of an ability.

I've had a similar draw with my rogue partner against a warlock. Took 3s for the score sheet to come up, CloS had just come up as he eviscerated the warlock, but he couldn't use it because you get 'stunned' at the end of the match. GMs wouldn't do anything.

Naive · 10/01/07, 1:15 PM

I've also experienced a draw. However, in all my arena games, it's only happened once.

oldmandennis · 10/01/07, 2:35 PM

Twice in a row, against the same team :P

soulpure · 10/01/07, 3:04 PM

In some bad bracket a looong time ago, when some bad players still thought PoM Pyro was good it was down to a 1v1 (my rogue vs a mage with fire shield up). I was about 1%, he was also very low. My CB > Mutilate killed him, but at the same time the fire shield he had up kiled me. Ended in a draw. I t was fair i guess.

Sagerix · 10/01/07, 3:05 PM

To me the odd thing about a draw is that the game just doesn't even count. If you are trying to get your 10 games in for the week, or trying to make sure you reach your team's 30% threshhold then a game that ends in a draw just doesn't exist. There is no space on the win/loss record for draws.

Zraknul · 10/01/07, 3:09 PM

A friend and I run a warlock/warrior combo in 2s (mostly for fun), and we had a draw in a mirror match. We got their lock down and before I went down I got a fresh Corruption up with a CoA ticking. The corruption ended up getting the killing blow on the warrior the same second as the execute killed my partner.

Melador · 10/01/07, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by Sagerix

To me the odd thing about a draw is that the game just doesn't even count. If you are trying to get your 10 games in for the week, or trying to make sure you reach your team's 30% threshhold then a game that ends in a draw just doesn't exist. There is no space on the win/loss record for draws.

Nor for games that are so lopsided that you don't receive any points, which is truly something that should simply never happen. When you're paired up the game knows that it's an "out of range" match, it should simply keep you queued until it can find a in-range match.

But if they're going to continue with this bug, they at least should count it as a match and keep it on your win-loss record.

• sp00n · 10/02/07, 9:14 AM

According to the "normal" Elo system, even a draw should yield points to the lower rated team (resp. reduce the points of the higher rated team).
Seems Blizzard seems to ignore this totally.

Mr. Troll · 10/04/07, 10:55 AM

zomg!

Reubarb · 10/04/07, 11:05 AM

I've never seen a draw and I've played plenty of arena matches. That sucks about the bleeding to death though, that shouldn't happen. The match should end right when the last player of one team is dead.

Vitae · 10/04/07, 2:15 PM

Eye for an Eye killing someone on a crit that kills the retadin does it as well.

There are a whole bunch of times we get zero points for a win and the game doesn't count, when it really should have. I'd say at least 4 times in the past week we've queued up against a team, won, got zero points/credit for the game...then played them again within the next hour and gotten 10+ points, so they were clearly in range. It even happened once on what should have been a 23 point win. It's very frustrating, and at least seems to be more frequent since the last patch, though obviously my personal sample size isn't conclusive. I've seen it say 0 and do it (when the team should not have been 0), seen it say the correct point amount then give nothing, and seen it do the -12042124 -120101220 rollover nonsense as well.

Is this a common occurrence for others, and has anyone noticed any sort of pattern to it?

Leto · 10/04/07, 2:46 PM

I've had a draw where molten armor killed a rogue as he killed me, that was fun. Had one other draw, but I forget the circumstances.

Peekaboo · 10/04/07, 3:20 PM

I once hit spellreflect versus an icelance. Except I hit it "too late" and died. The arena ended as the icelance reflected back and killed the mage. We got the loss sadly.