◊ Praetorian

I've seen Sck's 5v5 (assuming it's one of the pretty recent ones?) -- I was specifically looking for the smaller brackets.

 

Elendril

Speaking of that video - does anyone know what the mod is that Douja uses to announce purges and the dispelled effect?

 

◊ Praetorian

Shaman Friend - Shaman Mods - World of Warcraft Mods, Addons, and More!

Incredible shaman mod. It is Ace'd but it is NOT on wowace.

 

• Leene

One of the reasons that we see so few videos from the healers PoV might have something to do with the general consensus being that these movies are boring to watch. Just take a quick glimpse at the comments any of the healer movies over at warcraftmovies.com has received. It's page after page with either "Yeah it was alright, but healers are boring to watch" or just simply "1/5, healing, yawn etc". This sort of attitude must make healers even less likely to ever publish or even go through the effort of making a movie. Why bother when all you will get in return is a bunch of whining? I know I my self want to see other healers in action and I don't consider seeing this boring at all, but the majority seem to want nothing but big crits, but only if it's damage done.

The problem with the better known movies, such as those by Sck, is that these are from 5v5, and the play style really differs a lot from 3v3/2v2. I would love to see any skilled healer doing his or her thing in one of the smaller brackets.

 

◊ Praetorian

Yep, exactly. I watch arena videos hoping to learn something, because I think I'm decent but there's definitely a significant gap between me and the real "top" healers out there. It's pretty amazing how few of these videos there are.

Sck's latest video is interesting, but it's a series against the same team and the matches tend to play out fairly similarly. You don't see him having to act under direct pressure since he's pretty much ignored by the other team throughout every single match, and the chaos of 5v5 obscures some of the finer points of what he's doing.

 

Stolidus

I suspect the chief reason healer videos would be considered boring in the smaller brackets isn't even related to the general "big numbers" (my HL crits for more than my warrior friend's MS) attitude, but the fact that most of the actions a healer makes are more subtle, or less graphically obvious.

For example, there are actually a decent number of resto druid videos for 2v2, most likely because watching them shows direct actions: Shifting to bear to feral charge is cool, and has that immediate "OMGSKILL" factor that is as directly impressive as a warrior intercepting to get a dpser of his healer (regardless of how tough this is in actuality). In contrast, watching a paladin cast the thousandth FoL while barely out of LoS of a mage is far from stunning, and is unlikely to even get noticed.

The problem with healing videos may really be simply the lack of direct visual interaction i.e. you see the mage cast frostbolt and the corresponding huge crit when it lands, whereas Holy Light is a cast bar and then a quick glow. Similarly, the difference between feral charge and ES is also huge, in terms of graphical effect. Because videos really are a graphical representation, the graphical elements seem to add the most to the general "watchability" of a video.

 

◊ Praetorian

True, but do people really download high-end arena videos to say "OMG look at that frostbolt crit!!"? I suppose some people may. I watch them to learn from people who are better than me, and to get ideas of how certain combos might play out without having to try them out myself. Sure, a 2v2 healer video is not necessarily white-knuckle jaw-dropping action, but I'd love to see a healer PoV video of a 10-minute healer+warrior vs. healer+warlock match or some such, where I know both teams are playing at a very high level.

If anyone reading this is a 2400+ 2v2 healer (non-druid!), I'd encourage you to make some videos, as there's a need for them.

 

Stolidus

Mmm, but I'm not arguing for the watchability of pure crit strings, but rather the more graphically obvious aspects of any type of play. Purge and Earthshock, as animations, simply aren't as visually impressive as Chain Lightning or Mass Dispel, and that's what makes the difference in comprehension from a viewer's angle.

Learning from videos is hard if all you get is a small SCT scroll that says "Arcane Power purged," which could be super important, or "BoS on Hunter Pet,"; these things are most likely to go unnoticed unless you have a huge mod calling it out (Kollectiv's spell notifications for example), or edit in later an explanation of what's going on. On the other hand, you can see quite clearly when a druid goes in to feral charge, cyclones (with it's huge new graphic), and thereby locks down the opposing healer. THAT is the real difference in a video that most people will be able to appreciate and enjoy watching.

The closest you're likely to get to this sort of action with a 2v2 shaman or paladin viewpoint is popping bloodlust or drinking, which both have excellent visual cues. Large cast bars and obvious graphics are ultimately what makes a video understandable over poor quality streams, and where popularity is most likely to come from.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't like to see a high rated 2v2 healer viewpoint, but I suspect it would ultimately be pretty difficult to follow anyways, and consequently wouldn't garner massive acclaim. I don't know if fame, not instruction is the chief motive for video makers, but if so, then the graphical difficulty of understanding healer movies is, in my opinion, the reason so few healer videos exist.

 

Siddown

Gurg, I agree that I'd like to see some too but I doubt you will see many. To make an over the top generalization, I think people who roll healers rarely are spot light seekers, and therefore are less likely to make a video.

That, and even if such a video did exist which showed perfectly how to heal at 2400+ rating, if it was posted at WCM the first 10 pages would be filled with "I hate the music", "You miss timed that one Mass Dispel" and "boring video from a horrible <Priest/Shaman/Paladin>". I'm just not sure how many people who have chosen a healing class want to bother. Druids on the other hand, seem to break that mold, probably because they are so actively doing other things (Feral Charges, opening with Pounce, kiting, etc.).

Like the poster above me, I'd love to be proven wrong and see a tonne of healer PvP videos released, so at least I'd have the option of watching them.

 

archz0r

2300 3v3 Arena Priest pov BG9
2300 3v3 Arena Priest pov BG9 2

These two movies are from a priest(PoV)/mage/rogue setup at 2300+ rating in BG9 which I found entertaining. Not sure that's what you're looking but thought I'd put them out here since I thought they were interesting and fun to watch.

 

Rieux

PvP Source : Your #1 Source for Competitive World of Warcraft PvP
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These are a couple videos from a resto shaman point of view. The first is a shaman/warrior mirror match in 2s, and the second is a 3s video of shaman/rogue/spriest v. priest/mage/rogue. They're not very long, but they do include commentary.

 

• Kas

Nevermind it was already in the list.

 

mcboink

Priest/Mage/Hunter setup. The video is from Goku's (hunter) POV, and they have really nice teamwork.

Goku Hunter 3v3 ~2300 rating BG3 Cyclone EU

 

◊ Praetorian

Kollektiv has a couple of excellent new 5v5 videos vs. Pandemic, from the last couple of days before 2.3 hit:

WarcraftMovies.com - World of Warcraft Movies

 

archz0r

He released a movie where he's playing 5 games or so against Neilyo's 4-dps setup.

neilyo9.avi - FileFront.com

 

Hellmount

Which add-on is it that is listing his oppoenents health bars? It's not arena master I don't think.

 

summlan

probably "mobhealth"

 

◊ Praetorian

Uh, Proximo?

ArenaMaster is the CT_RaidAssist of arena mods (i.e. no one has used it in a very long time). Proximo and Gladiator are what basically everyone uses.

Anyway, this is a very solid resto druid video with some impressive survival/kiting play along with CC/control: Sonny 2.5k+ Restoration 2v2/3v3 By zvyn

 

Hellmount

Thank you.

 

Humbaba

I've just watched a few druid and warrior videos and I really, really enjoyed Azoth's "Back to Basics" with his audio commentary. Can anyone recommend some other videos with a commentary overlay? There's certainly something to be said for watching top teams square off, but just watching what they're doing without explanation doesn't help me understand why they're doing what they do and it certainly doesn't help me to catch some of the things that are not obvious.

 

Azoth

I don't know of many movies that have this in general, but another druid movie with commentary is Deep Feral 5.

 

xarg

I've seen a warrior/druid 2v2 commentated by hafu, though if I recall correctly it was only a stream, not for download. Shouldn't be too hard to find it.

 

◊ Praetorian

 

Humbaba

Deep Feral 5 and the Hafu video were both excellent. Thank you for the recommendations. Anyone know of any other similar videos with commentary? Any class will do since it seems like I'm continuously playing with new players that need to learn how to pvp.

 

archz0r

Criss presents Season 2 in review By Criss

Yet another restoration druid with notes.