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Old 12/16/07, 4:03 PM   #1
Hellcry
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Orc Warrior
 
Neptulon (EU)
Race for priest [2 vs 2 with Mage]

So, got some time on my hands again and got drawn back into the game. My roomie is leveling a UD mage, and I will be starting a priest. We will mostly be playing 2 vs 2 arena.

Im abit torn on what race to go with atm, since he is UD I obviously have BE,UD and Troll to choose from.

Im an avid min/maxxer, and I dont care about looks at all, so thats out of the equation.

First of, racials (only listing usefull ones).

BE

5 all res and a 2 sec AoE silence

Troll

Berserking

UD

WotF and 10 SR

While WotF still is great, fear ward diminishes its value abit imo. The resistance, while not worthless, is of minor impact. A 2 sec silence might win a game, but being a priest I guess alot of ppl while try to stay away to avoid getting feared. Bersering is prety good i reckon, when comming out from a stunlock/silence on low HP 30% haste will be great. Also slightly usefull for 10% faster Mind controlls/Mana Burns I guess.

Racial Spells:

BE

Touch of weakness and Consume Magic

Troll

Hex of Weakness - Baby MS debuff and Shadowguard

UD

Touch of weakness and Devouring Plague

First of Im not entirely sure on how all spells function.

I had a hard time finding out the dmg coefficient and mechanic of ToW. According to a guide on the official US-Priest forums it gets 10% of dmg, is this correct? Does it go of on every attack (so you can spam it while having a melee on you)? Unfortunately it seems to have an issue with MF, currently the MF-channel breaks if ToW procs during the channeling . The scaling is pretty crappy, but the ability to spam it and the fact that it only has one charge (making it easier to avoid MF-cancelling) is pretty appealing for shadow, for Disc its nothing more then a dispell buffer I guess.

From what I have gathered Shadowguard gets 100% (33% per orb) from dmg and the CD on it proccing is ~3 sec like on the Shaman elemental shields. It seems to currently be breaking MF-channeling witch is a huge drawback, but maybe that issue will be fixed? As shadow it would be great since Im very likely to be focused by any opposing melee, the ability to proc blackout might gives me some breating room and maybe even a chance to get away. It will also help stacking up SW alot faster. As disc the dmg from Shadowguard combined with reflective shields might add some pressure to the enemy healer. Seems to be a decent racial, would be awesome for shadow if it didnt cancel MF.

Hex of Weakness seems pretty good, espessially for a team lacking a healing debuff. Is the 2 min duration true for PvP aswell? With only 1 of four healers being able to remove it I think it will prove to be very usefull in Arena. Does it trigger BO and SW btw? All in all it seems like a bargain for 35 mana.

I dont see consuma magic being usefull in this 2 vs 2 setting. If Im oom we are more or less screwed, a couple of hundred mana wont change that. I guess its more usefull in a team that can outlast opponents.

Devouring Plague is good, and most likely the reason 90% of all horde shadowpriest are undead. Sure its expensive, but inner focus helps with that. An extra DOT would help a lot if I decide to go Shadow, since we need to get one target down fast.

It seems to me like UD or troll would be the best choise, UD being better for Shadow and troll for Disc.

I would be very thankfull if someone could answer the questions regarding the racials. If someone has experience playing priest/mage I would be very happy if you could share your experience. What teams are easy, what teams are impossible, how did you spec and what strats did you use vs different setups?

Hope someone will help me out and and hopefully this will start some discussion on this 2 vs 2 setup. I know it is far from optimal, but it has alot of controll and I think it will be very fun, but unforgiving, to play.

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Old 12/16/07, 4:57 PM   #2
doogless
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You absolutely have to play Shadow if you plan on doing 2v2 with a Mage. A Mage as your only DPSer simply can't kill something before one of you goes OOM.

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Old 12/16/07, 5:23 PM   #3
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Are you deadset on playing a Priest, and is your partner deadset on playing as a Mage? Mages can do well in 2v2, but are generally considered one of the weaker classes for said bracket.

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Old 12/16/07, 5:50 PM   #4
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I've seen some successful 2v2 with Frost Mage and me as Disc, but that was back at start of Season 2. Right now, you really have to perform outstandigly good to climb up the 2v2 bracket. Your best bet would probably be BE for the extra silence and 600ish mana from Devour Magic, however, Hex of Weakness and Berserking is nothing to sneeze at. Hasted Mana Burn can be quite nasty. Your best decision would be to roll Rogue though. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

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Old 12/16/07, 6:20 PM   #5
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My friend already started his mage, and I really wanna play a priest. I am well aware that it isnt a great lineup, and I dont expect to get top 10. We are booth very solid players though, we sit in the same room and we have PvP'd with eachother for hundreds and hundreds of hours so we know eachother well.

The setup being extremely unforgiving is whats appealing to us. As it stands now ill prolly go for a Troll and spec Shadow. The healing debuff from HoW and haste from berserking just seems to good to give up. It will be absolutely horrible before we geared up and learned to play, but after we get our PvP-gear sorted and our strats down I think it will be a giving team requiring alot of finesse.

Thanks for the input so far.

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Old 12/16/07, 6:24 PM   #6
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Well if anything you can find a rogue down the line or some other class like a lock or druid and it would be an extremely solid 3v3 team.

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Old 12/16/07, 7:17 PM   #7
Hellcry
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Originally Posted by Kasi View Post
Well if anything you can find a rogue down the line or some other class like a lock or druid and it would be an extremely solid 3v3 team.
Actually a RL friend plays a rogue (and did since release so he is solid) and will level a lock with us. Not much to say fro RMP for 3's. Wonder how Spriest/UAlock/Mage would do, prolly hard as hell to play but could be alot of fun. Should be a living hell for enemy healers atleast

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Old 12/17/07, 1:14 AM   #8
heel
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You should be Undead. The decision is not close.

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Old 12/17/07, 2:51 AM   #9
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Undead. Fear Ward's cooldown is long enough that an additional fear breaker is still useful, and WotF also breaks Mind Control and Seduce. Devouring Plague is still pretty good. Berserking is nice for Mana Burn and Ressurection, but doesn't beat the overall package of Undead.


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Old 12/17/07, 11:00 AM   #10
drole
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If you want to min/max your character for that specific arena team(the priest/mage one) i would suggest troll. I can't see anyone focussing the mage over a SPriest and thus the priest won't be in the recieving end of many fears. The team lacks sustainability and they lack it big time so going for an early kill seems to be the only real solution, hense the power of HoW.

For anything else i would go Undead.

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Old 12/17/07, 11:06 AM   #11
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Are people honestly suggesting Troll?....

Undead, distant second, Blood Elf.

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Old 12/17/07, 6:20 PM   #12
Hellcry
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Originally Posted by drole View Post
If you want to min/max your character for that specific arena team(the priest/mage one) i would suggest troll. I can't see anyone focussing the mage over a SPriest and thus the priest won't be in the recieving end of many fears. The team lacks sustainability and they lack it big time so going for an early kill seems to be the only real solution, hense the power of HoW.

For anything else i would go Undead.
That was my thought, lucky SG blackout procs could give some breating room aswell. If we play som 3's with a lock I think even a gimped healing debuff will be great.

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Old 12/18/07, 8:23 AM   #13
Borland
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I saw a priest having 35/4/22 spec.
Like this one :
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Priest -> Talent Calculator

Its missing the pain supression , but i personaly believe that another 5 seconds silence makes a hell of a lot
difference against heal/dps teams if you are healing priest/mage and is tryng to get an eary kill.

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Old 12/18/07, 3:53 PM   #14
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Ill prolly try shadow for starters, if I dont find PS all that usefull when I try it I plan to try out a spec similar to the one you posted. It looks ok for running a gib oriented 3's with lock/mage aswell.

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