Had the chance to try some 3's with holypala and mmhunter yesterday and today. Started out at 1880 rating and we're at 2070~ now. Going really good so far, just need some more practice and i can easily see 2,1->2,2k in sight. The recent buffs we got feel more and more helpful the more one plays.
We basically rape PMR, force first IB and then BL + trinkets and the mage basically vaporizes. It basically doesnt matter who they go for since both of us can dish an incredible burst when not targetted. Druid/lock/rogue we'll go pet first and see if we can kill it quickly, otherwise just stick to the lock, tremors/grounding and interrupting cyclones and the lock will be dead aslong as you keep him purged.
Had the chance to try some 3's with holypala and mmhunter yesterday and today. Started out at 1880 rating and we're at 2070~ now. Going really good so far, just need some more practice and i can easily see 2,1->2,2k in sight. The recent buffs we got feel more and more helpful the more one plays.
We basically rape PMR, force first IB and then BL + trinkets and the mage basically vaporizes. It basically doesnt matter who they go for since both of us can dish an incredible burst when not targetted. Druid/lock/rogue we'll go pet first and see if we can kill it quickly, otherwise just stick to the lock, tremors/grounding and interrupting cyclones and the lock will be dead aslong as you keep him purged.
A really fun setup i might add.
I've been planning to try that combo for a long time now. I'm happy to hear that it can go well, especially against RMP.
My 5s got up to 2300, and I still haven't played more 2s (2150), but I want to get my 3s up to 2300 so hopefully this combo is the key!
Last edited by Push : 04/05/08 at 1:02 AM.
I'm Enhancement.
Add 20% MS to Stormstrike or make Toughness affect immobilization effects. kthx
I was wondering how well this set up might work out. I'm currently spec'd 8/11/42 as a tauren druid, and my partner is an orc shammy who is enhancement. I know this isnt a typical team, but we are also on a 3s team with a warrior and we have fun with that so we decided to do some 2v2. I'm really not too sure how to play it. More offense or deffense? What should I be doing besides hotting and kitting, should i try and add dps when he storm strikes or bloodlusts? I know wrath being nature damage will hit a little harder. Any tips or hints for this combo out be much appreciated.
Also Since we just started running a druid warrior shammy 3s, if you have some advice for that it would help a lot!
just a question for Push. I have been messing around with builds and really want to make something work with 5 in reverberation. Just wanted to know if you think this build is solid for general pvp and arena.
I am looking for some serious advice from high rated shamans (looking at Push and Zagine in this thread here, nice movie by the way, really enjoyed it).
I play in a heavy nuke 2v2 team, enhancement shaman BM hunter. We have done fairly decent so far this season, 2071 at the moment.
Both in full vengefull/vindicator. Hunter has mostly dps enchants, I have mixed.
We seem to get completely stuck around 2100. We really want to try for Gladiator, and since we are in a poor battlegroup (Ruin EU) it's not as hard as in proper battlegroups. I'm fairly certain we'd only need around 2200-2250 rating for top 25.
Anyway, our tactic consists of nuking the living daylight out of a target. When we play against dps/healer teams, we nuke the dps in 90% of the cases. Our combined outgoing dps is between 1200-1500, so with aimed shot it's pretty much impossible to outheal this. It gets pretty hard against warrior/healer teams with a brain, where the warrior just equips a shield and tries to outlive our nuke and starts hugging pillars so my hunter can't get an aimed shot off. Same with lock druid, where a lock just runs away around pillars dotting us both up. However, we do seem to win about 80% of our games against healers. Except when it's priest/rogue, druid/rogue, hell, even shaman/rogue (although this is rare) gives us the biggest trouble in the world.
Double dps is mostly a big big headache. Around this rating, warlock/rogue and frost mage/rogue are one of the most popular setups in our battlegroup. 99% of the time, we stand no chance whatsoever. We always nuke the mage seeing we prefer 1 iceblock over 2 evasions and six thousands vanish'es, cheat death etc. For us, it's impossible to kill a rogue. Meanwhile one of us gets polymorphed (me mostly, grounding totem gets icelanced and most of the times the mage is out of range for earth shock while I'm nova'd to the ground). In some games, we manage to get the mage down, but then my hunter dies, and I get stunlocked from 100% to 30% and then a rogue blows evasion. If I trinket a polymorph, I get blinded and visa versa.
Basically, 75% of the teams have a rogue and we lose about 95% of the matches against them. I usually start out with my Veng shield wall (416 resilience with this), trinket kidney and blow shamanistic rage, but I still drop like a sack. It feels like I'm wearing cloth.
I consider both of us good players, the hunter is actually the best one I've ever seen/played with, but its amazingly frustrating to not be able to get further because of class limitations (that's what it feels like anyway).
Now don't get me wrong, I didn't post this to whine about rogues, but I am looking for advice. I've always felt dps was our strongest ability (obviously), but the higher rating we get, the more playerse with a brain seem to occur and some of them manage to outlive our nuke (heroism and beastial wrath). Should we perhaps take a more defensive approach? As in, gem for stamina etc. Right now I've only got 2 4resi/6stam gems and 40 stam on legs. I'm using the 3% crit meta and Boar's Speed on boots (thinking of getting AP meta/surefooted in S4 since I seriously lack AP, 1338 unbuffed). I respec for arena and make sure I have 5/5 toughness and 5/5 dodge and I've even tried elemental warding, not with much success.
We've also considered respeccing the hunter to marksman, since it gives him some more ability (scatter shot, silence shot etc), altough he says he will get massively cc'ed as he won't have beastial wrath anymore.
Should we even bother trying for Gladiator with this setup? Some advice would be greatly appreciated.
I use to enjoy this guy's video a lot pre-BC when he was an elemental shaman (which I was also at the time). His ability to anticipate his opponents movements and setting up a fire nova/grenade stun to finish up w/ an LB/CL/ES combo was very nice. It seems he's switch to enhance and here's his new video. No arenas just a nice quality video showing world pvp mixed in w/ a couple of duels' vs warriors, rogues and locks. enjoy.
I use to enjoy this guy's video a lot pre-BC when he was an elemental shaman (which I was also at the time). His ability to anticipate his opponents movements and setting up a fire nova/grenade stun to finish up w/ an LB/CL/ES combo was very nice. It seems he's switch to enhance and here's his new video. No arenas just a nice quality video showing world pvp mixed in w/ a couple of duels' vs warriors, rogues and locks. enjoy.
I saw his video yesterday and I was pretty impressed, it felt like I was watching a Drakedog video, but with an enhancement shaman. The grenade use, 1vN scenes, and overall control of his opponents and the fight were very impressive.
I just started back running enhancement (0/47/14) and I have a question about trinkets:
Where does [Shard of Contempt] stack up for a pvp trinket?? I don't know the proc rate, but seems to proc often so the extra AP is sweet all by itself!
I just started back running enhancement (0/47/14) and I have a question about trinkets:
Where does [Shard of Contempt] stack up for a pvp trinket?? I don't know the proc rate, but seems to proc often so the extra AP is sweet all by itself!
The first post of the following thread discusses the relative worth of the trinket:
So I have recent;y begun the push to try and get to 1850 because I feel inadequate with my current weapons.
I started running with a Warrior and Druid in 3s and I am wondering if anyone has any advice on tactics. It seemed like of the 30 games we played 25 of them were Hunter/Mage/Healer teams. We came up on the losing end more than the winning end (hovered around 1700 for a while then tanked to our current rating on 4 losses). I would just get bursted down way too fast to be viable and we couldn't put enough pressure on the mage to make all that much difference.
Any advice would be welcome. I believe I logged in my PVP gear (Full S3 - minus shoulders/weapons).
Should we go with a different class at healer (have people had success with druids)? Change our attack target (mage 90% of the time)?
For the love of god please read the Original Post!
Just a quick sidebar here, does anyone know exactly which addons Zagine is using in his video?
I know that I see xperl, quartz and maybe bulldog along with totemtimers and shamansfriend... the main one I'm REALLY looking for is the scrolling combat text one he has that spits out the big warnings when totems get destroyed and so on. It's just one less thing to have to look to the side to find. And his bars, is that bongos2?
I'm doing 2v2 with my best friend who is a warlock and we get pwned left and right after we get close to 1600 most times... he can't stand SL/SL and runs some build like 8/41/12 or craziness. Our 3v3 is a little better so far, we just started with him, me and a survival hunter this week.
I started trying out 2s on my shaman alt with a warrior friend of mine last night, mainly just to feel out some strats as I am still undergeared to do very well (mediocre offhand, 280 res w/ 9.5k health, armory link to shaman here).
We did well against all dps/healer teams by melting the dps with focused earth shocks on the healer if necessary.
Our problem teams were warrior/resto shaman, mage/rogue, and lock/anydps.
The bloodlusted resto shaman could heal through our damage on the warrior, and when I'm purging the shaman and the warrior to get bloodlust off both, I'm not damaging their warrior enough, so I end up dying more quickly than he does. I think we need to be on the resto shaman so we're both interrupting, and if fully purged he'll die much faster than their warrior or another healer would, since he can't kite and heal at the same time effectively like a druid or priest, nor can he stand there and take it as long as a pally could.
Any advice for mage/rogue or lock/anydps? Mage/rogue I wolf up and he switches to berserker right away so we can go sap immune, and we try to bait the rogue to a pillar out of LoS of the mage, then pop him there before the mage can get close enough and in LoS to help with CCs. We won once or twice by doing this, but the problem is one full poly or full blind will go off on one of us after using a trinket on the other before we can get behind a pillar with the rogue, and then the rogue just controls the non-CCed person while they both destroy that target. The problem with lock/anydps is that even SL/SL dots add up very quickly, and that is not mitigated if we're on them, so we need to be on the other dps to mitigate their damage, but even mitigated damage from that target + the dots cause one of us to die before either of them.
2dps teams are extremely limited with no CC. I can't think of an strategic approaches that would help. If you're hell bent on playing with double dps Warrior/Shaman, I think the only gains you can make are in gear and execution. I can't really see it being a successful team and I'm surprised you found any team with a healer possible to beat.
Also, purging bloodlust off the resto shaman has to be done. It's worth losing 2-3 GCDs worth of damage on the Warrior to get him.
In my little experience playing arena, I've gone through 3 partners with 2v2. The first was a resto shaman, the second a resto shaman, third forst mage, then back to the first shaman.
I found that doing 2v2 with a healer was a lot of fun, for just the fact that, unlike most shamans in 3v3 or 5v5, I was the major dps of the team and needed to gem/enchant for dps stats, not resil and stam. Now I'm considering getting a higher rating for the team to earn more points per week, and I would like some advice.
I must say, 2xBloodlust, 2xTremor totems, 2x Posion Cleansing totems, 2x Grounding totems, etc has been very fun to play with. We can crush most dps/healer teams, unless it's a rogue dpsing (or sometimes trouble with druid healers). The teams we have the most trouble with are 2dps teams, particulary 2 rogues, or rogue/lock, or BM hunter/other. We mostly have trouble with those teams because they can lock down my healer, while the other dps pounds on me and I can't get to them (BM hunter mostly). When possible, I try to down the lock first, and the heavier armored class later. The problem is that we get some half dps/half healer people with another dps that stun my healer. While I try to down their dps, the dps is getting healed. Then when they stun my healer, both of them go full dps on me, and kill me before my healer can do anything.
We've tried a few strategies, 2 of them being succesful. The first one is just a full charge, where we mount up, go around behind the other team, and I just rip them apart before they make a plan or get distance. This strat usually works, but can fail when I go after the other team and my healer is stuck where I left him, out of LoS. The second strat is where we both go ghost wolf and kinda wait for them. That way we can't be sapped, and we can trick them to attack me first, which I can survive due to SR.
In my little experience playing arena, I've gone through 3 partners with 2v2. The first was a resto shaman, the second a resto shaman, third forst mage, then back to the first shaman.
I found that doing 2v2 with a healer was a lot of fun, for just the fact that, unlike most shamans in 3v3 or 5v5, I was the major dps of the team and needed to gem/enchant for dps stats, not resil and stam. Now I'm considering getting a higher rating for the team to earn more points per week, and I would like some advice.
I must say, 2xBloodlust, 2xTremor totems, 2x Posion Cleansing totems, 2x Grounding totems, etc has been very fun to play with. We can crush most dps/healer teams, unless it's a rogue dpsing (or sometimes trouble with druid healers). The teams we have the most trouble with are 2dps teams, particulary 2 rogues, or rogue/lock, or BM hunter/other. We mostly have trouble with those teams because they can lock down my healer, while the other dps pounds on me and I can't get to them (BM hunter mostly). When possible, I try to down the lock first, and the heavier armored class later. The problem is that we get some half dps/half healer people with another dps that stun my healer. While I try to down their dps, the dps is getting healed. Then when they stun my healer, both of them go full dps on me, and kill me before my healer can do anything.
We've tried a few strategies, 2 of them being succesful. The first one is just a full charge, where we mount up, go around behind the other team, and I just rip them apart before they make a plan or get distance. This strat usually works, but can fail when I go after the other team and my healer is stuck where I left him, out of LoS. The second strat is where we both go ghost wolf and kinda wait for them. That way we can't be sapped, and we can trick them to attack me first, which I can survive due to SR.
Meh...out of time, will finish later.
A few comments. Versus double dps, the important things to remember are that
a) You have the advantage the longer the fight lasts, so bum rushing is often not the best strategy. Using LoS during, say, a BM hunter's Beast Within (you can probably even dps his partner/pet during this time) can give you the advantage if you've managed your cooldowns better than has the opponent.
b) A shield cuts your incoming damage by almost 40%. It takes a while to get the feel for when to go "sword" and board versus physical damage classes, but just think about after every fight when you should have been turtling versus rogue/warrior/hunter/etc, and when you would have benefited from DWing. Eventually the decision will become second nature.
c) Mental quickness+healing weapon/shield/totem (and potentially WoA) gives you very potent heals (1k healing in S3). Have the weapon swap macroed with a LHW or HW so you can effectively heal your partner through those kidney shots until he can heal himself. Of course mana is an issue, but this is a double dps team you are facing, so they are heavily time limited themselves.
Versus dps/healer,
a) Your resto partner can really help you burst someone down. You can chase a healer away, then turn on their partner, lust, and end them before the opposing healer has a chance to return and heal. Alternatively, if you have someone low, an NS+CL can be a potent finisher to accompany your continued pressure.
b) You should be coordinating earthshocks to limit healing, using a focus macro/proximo right click feature for easier shocks on a healer you aren't targeting. It's a pain to coordinate audibly, but don't worry because eventually you'll get a feel for it and won't even need to communicate. A good enemy casting bar mod is essential here too.
I do have a question though... Is there any good strategy that would work for us opening? If we charge in, we have trouble with double dps, but if we wait they can formulate a strategy to down us, even if they don't know which one's the healer. Should we wait in a hidden area? Maybe meet the other team middle? Or charge in and try to burn one down? The biggest problem with my team is the fact that 2 shamans are all utility and no strategy. We just have time to things right and know when to do what, instead of "You sap that guy, then cheap shot the other and I'll cyclone the first" or something of the sort.
jadenar is a really bad server to try to get an arena team for. admitting im just a beginner at arenas, its like everyone looks down on you for not being good, which leads me to never getting a team.
(you got over 400 resil?)
(no, just glads so far, im new to it)
(&playername; is ignoring you)
its that type of pessimism that will never get me a group, hell, it wont even give me a chance to touch arena. i even ask to try out skrimishes just for the sake of it, and still get turned down
so i ask the people who are new, in trade chat i broadcast "LF resto druid and ms warrior for 3s, no resil requirement"
(are you resto?)
(no, thats why i asked for a resto druid)
(forget it then)
its ignorance like this that ensues me to quit the game, just because the standard is set so high for arena.
I played a double shaman 2v2 team with a friend that was resto and I was enhancement. It was fun and frustrating and we got up to 1700 at one point but usually hung out between 1600 and 1650. Patience is how you win fights with that team setup. 8 totems down at once is killer on players that tab target and provide major buffs that along with the fact that shaman are very easy to lock down with roots and snares, you want to make them fight you on ground of your choosing, which means pillars for humping (stick one shoulder to it and don't leave it).
While shaman have no cc for creating kill opportunities, a double shaman team can lock down a healer for 10 seconds with alternating shock rotations when you go for the kill. Practice that with your friend, get to the point where all you have to say is "interrupt" when your dps target gets low and he knows to take the next heal interrupt and that you'll get the 2nd, he gets the 3rd and if you haven't killed the target by then back off and wait for another opportunity.
To Thug: I don't know about people just ignoring you, that's obviously rude, but if you want people to seriously give you a shot despite your being new to the arena scene, you need to take the gear you do have and can easily improve more seriously. You have no enchants, not even on your 3 pieces of s1 gear or your s1 weapons, an empty meta socket, a whole bunch of empty gem slots, no PvP trinket, no honor gear, and a healing relic. The gems you do have socketed are common strength or crit. Even someone who might consider trying out a team with someone new is probably going to run for the hills after they inspect you. You're going to get brutalized with 8k health and 200 res, and people recognize that and don't want to subject themselves to it.
My advice: You don't need full s3 to start trying out arena, nor do you need 400 res, and if random arena partners expect that they're deluded. You do need to get the honor gear, enchant your stuff, and gem for survivability. If you had a bunch of honor gear and had done what you could to get yourself ready, and people were still being dicks and not giving you a shot simply because you're new, then that would be a different story.
We have start to play an abit modified 2345 lineup with rogue for warri and enhshaman for eleshaman and it works pretty good. Up to now we don't have any problems against highrated teams.
our stats at the moment: 62:4 with 2216rating
04/04/08, 10:24 AM
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